[HemiMoparGuy]

I'm starting to get addicted to GT's. Not even sure why, cuz I've always been able to do more work faster with my four wheelers than I ever have with GT's, other than mowing grass. Maybe its a sign of getting older that I am starting to appreciate the looks of vintage GT's. Anyway, for whatever reason, when I find a brand I like, I tend to stick with it and any of its affiliates or heritage. So since I come from and IH family, I tend to stick with IH farm tractors, but now that Case bought them out, I like the Case brand construction tractors, etc. So that leaves me stuck between a Cub Cadet GT which was as most know IH, but there is also Case tractors which I see as "related" now that Case owns IH, even though they really had nothing to do with each other way back when we are talkin about the GT's. It's like older Case tractors are like the really hot step sister or something.

So anyway, the point of my post aside from rambling is that I wanted ideas and opinions about both of them. I can't really tell you my requirements cuz I just am not sure yet, but I am getting addicted and want to start collecting a Case line or Cub line.

 

[alleninpa]

That's easy!!
BOTH!!!

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

Well, yeah, I have a feeling that's what it will end up as...still would like insight of advantages/disadvantages, etc of some comparing models between the two

 

[bontai Joe]

The Case/Ingersol tractors are hydraulically driven, not hydrostatic. What that means is they have a higher flow and pressure in the system that allows the use of hydraulic power for cool attachments like a loader, back hoe, etc with out needed an aux. hydraulic pump. Hydrostatic drives have enough umph to raise and lower stuff like a front blade or snowblower a few inches, but can't match true hydraulic drive. IF the Cubs you are looking at are pre 1982, then they are IH Cubs. After that they are MTD Cubs. The older Cubs use the same rear as the larger Cub tractor (later known as the LoBoy) so they are EXTREMELY well built in that area. Both machines are excellent choices, maybe more attachment availibility with the Cubs because of the larger number of machines sold. But the Case/Ingersoll machines used the same attachment hook ups for decades with out any dimensional changes.

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

Just did some reading on the brand new Ingersoll tractors. I am really liking the idea of the Hydraulic PTO for attachments such as log splitters and tillers and whatnot. Are the older Case/Ingersoll tractors the same?

 

[Magnum RT]

Just did some reading on the brand new Ingersoll tractors. I am really liking the idea of the Hydraulic PTO for attachments such as log splitters and tillers and whatnot. Are the older Case/Ingersoll tractors the same?

The Ingersoll is basicly the same tractor as the old Case GT's except the engine was turned around in 1989. As a result, mower decks and snow casters are limited to the engine rotation of the tractor design. Other wise, all implements are interchangable for 40 years. Generally plenty available except for the first few years of manufacture.

While in the Infy site, you can view the parts books for ALL C/I machinery, and compare.

As a Hemi mopar guy, myself, I love them Ingy's! LOL

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

If I understand correctly, anything hydraulically driven will work fine, but things that are (I'm guessing) belt driven like the mower deck and snow blower, has to be matching with the tractor and implement both pre-1989, or post-1989? Or is everything hydraulically driven on these tractors?

 

[slkpk]

I'd go with the really Hot Step Sister:trink40: slkpk

 

[Magnum RT]

If I understand correctly, anything hydraulically driven will work fine, but things that are (I'm guessing) belt driven like the mower deck and snow blower, has to be matching with the tractor and implement both pre-1989, or post-1989? Or is everything hydraulically driven on these tractors?

The mower deck and the snow caster are driven with a belt driven PTO on the front of the engine. All other implements are hydraulically driven and so, interchangeable between ALL models. The exception is the AHD models, built for two years, 1991 & 2, or 1992 & 3. They had hyd driven decks and snow casters, as well. The cost was to great for the market, as the motors, to replace today are around $700 each. The "build" cost of the tractor was also higher because of the added hydraulic power and cooling costs.

Insidentally, the snow casters were and are convertable from right to left hand drive. A factory kit cost around $500, if memory serves.

There were also, some other implements avaiable in early years that were belt driven such as a farm type 640 rpm pto for running such things as hay bale or grain conveyors. Also sickle bar mowers, generators and others.

Bottom line, most accessories will interchange, from the 1970's to current models. Parts also have vast interchangability.

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

What are the differences between the Case 442, 444, 446, 448? Thanks for the lots of info on the Cases; Anyone have anything to say about the Cubs?

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

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[bontai Joe]

Cub Cadets are divided into groups, there are the early narrow frame models, the later wide frame models, some were hydrostatic drive, some were gear drive, and towards the end of IH's involvement came the "super garden tractors" with diesel motors. Attachments for narrow frame tractors won't fit wide frame or visa versa. I personally would like to get my hands on a nice 1450 or 1650 if I was Cub shopping.

 

[Magnum RT]

What are the differences between the Case 442, 444, 446, 448? Thanks for the lots of info on the Cases; Anyone have anything to say about the Cubs?[/QUOte

The 200 series had 12 inch rear wheels, the 400 series had 16 inch. The last digit indicates the H.P. Ie: 442= 12 hp, 444 = 14 hp, 446 = 16 hp and 448 = 18 hp. Same for the 200 series, 220 = 10 hp 222 = 12 hp & 224 = 14 hp Later the 226 had the 16 hp Onan, also.

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

So as far as the Cases go, they are virtually identical except the motor...so if I got my hands on a 442 or whatever, then it would basically be a 448 if I put an 18 HP in it...aside from not being original?

Would love some more info on the Cubs...great so far, thanks

 

[bontai Joe]

If you really want in depth info on IH Cub Cadets, check out this site:
www.ihcubcadet.com

 

[Magnum RT]

So as far as the Cases go, they are virtually identical except the motor...so if I got my hands on a 442 or whatever, then it would basically be a 448 if I put an 18 HP in it...aside from not being original?

Would love some more info on the Cubs...great so far, thanks

Except the frames are different to receive the Onan as opposed to the kohler. Don't mean it can't be done, but more difficult and generally not considered practical.

It is one of the things that makes parts so available, the inter changeability is tremendous. Plus the simplicity of the hydraulic drive! Minimal linkage, no transmission or drive clutch or belts. Not a lot to go wrong!

 

[CubCadetAC]

HemiMoparGuy,

Go to www.onlycubcadets.com for all the info about Cub Cadets. You'll love it there.

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

Ok, so after everyone's suggestions/information, I have decided on the tractors that I want. Honestly, not even sure why I need them, but I sure do want them. Can't hardly imagine what I can do with these 4 tractors I picked out that I can't do with 1 or 2 of them...but they seem so fun and are so cool, what can I say, I've become addicted...All started by coming on here and looking for U-joints for my Bolens...I know, I said I wanted a Case or a Cub, but a buddy had it and wanted to sell it, I just moved outta my dad's house and had no money and needed a tractor, so he let me make payments on it, especially since he wanted it out of his garage and out of the way...

Anyway, I have decided I want an International 184 or a Cub Lo-Boy 185, Cub Cadet 782 or 982, Case 446 or 448, Case 224 or 226, and a Cub Cadet M72 Tank 0-turn mower.

Then I also want something along the lines of a CaseIH Farmall 60 for the grunt work of a FEL and Backhoe, why, who knows...since I have a Case CX50 Mini Excavator and a 450CT Skid-Steer, but ya never know, I might have those on a jobsite and won't wanna haul them back and forth if I need to do something around the house.

Basically I want to get land that I will have a front yard with a lot of trees/obstacles and the 0 turn will be used to tackle that. About 5 acres of an open back yard which the 184 or 185 will mow with two offset finish/trail mowers from Northern on each side including the belly mower. The Case 446 or 448 will be for such implements as the log splitter, Chipper/Shredder, and Tiller. The Case 224 or 226 will pull a HydraVac or lawn sweeper. Then the Cub Cadet 782 or 982 can run a blade for stuff small enough that won't require the Farmall 60 and run a snow blower for my sidewalks and tight spots that my plow truck won't get. I like using a truck for snow removal cuz it has a heater, and don't have to mess around with a plastic cab on a tractor, etc.

So thanks a lot for all of the info and advice. Does anyone else think I am, Nucking Futs, or is it just the ol' lady that thinks that?

Eric

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

WTF, I went to my closest Ingersoll dealer, and they don't have ANYTHING in stock for the Ingersoll tractors, and don't have a single piece of literature. What's up with this? Anyone know of any dealers not too far from Flint, MI that may be able to provide a lil more info?