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Well I started a thread earlier asking a few questions but didnt get many replies so heres another :drunkie: Im about to own a case 222 and am going to make a three point in the back and have the plans and materials but Im gonna wait till I have the tractor in my possesion to build it, but what I was wondering is what is the gpm on the stock hydro pump and is it enough to power one or two aux hyrdo cylinders? If you have any pictures related to this tractor such as a fel,sleeve hitch,log splitter three point hitch anything really :050: post em I would love to see whats out there tell me anyting I find this to be a pretty neat little tractor :thanku:
 

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Stock pumps are 8-9 gpm, depending on year. Quite sufficient to support cylinder work.

A key consideration is cylinder pressure. A 3 point would do fine, as did the OEMs, coming off the mid lift valve spool, at about 550-600psi.

A log splitter would be best powered of an aux PTO, at aboaut 2000psi.

One caution is to ensure the cylinders aren't so large as to drain or swamp the reservoir. Mostly this applies to log splitters ...

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I beleive he is askin about pictures of anybody's accessories for the 200 series.

As such there are a lot of accessories that can be had for these tractors, and Yes a FEL can be build. but don't do what I did. (mine is the worst thing to ever come across the net apparently) ??

Look up P.F. Engineering, they have some plans available.
Hooking up all theat hydraulic stuff. You need to know that there are 2 different systems on these tractors, a High flow, high pressure. and a low flow low pressure. Both systems can do different things, but be carefull not to put high pressure in a low pressure application.
That you can learn later.

I suggest you do your homework first, look up a lot of information. and then decide.

I personally would love to see another homemade loader for a 200 series, and I am still waiting for such.

any questions, The guys on here are very good in helping with. MY guy is RockDog. He know a thing or two about hydaulics. And Brian above, he knows a lot too. if not he can get you a straight answer.

Myself, I am not "alowed" to show you, you will get in a lot of trouble if you do it my way. (apparently)

Good luck

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I think you'd be better to go with sleeve hitch on the 222 since you've already got quite a few cool implements. It would be a lot easier to build and could use the stock lift. The plans are available for it too.
Then you need to add a travel valve as a pto like in this thread to run your auxiliary circuits.. http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=215043

You'll like the Case much better than your Husky. It's a much heavier machine and will take anything you can put it threw and if not they're easy to fix.
I've got an Ingersoll brochure that shows the factory attachments that I can email you if you'd like.
 

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I think you'd be better to go with sleeve hitch on the 222 since you've already got quite a few cool implements. It would be a lot easier to build and could use the stock lift. The plans are available for it too.
Then you need to add a travel valve as a pto like in this thread to run your auxiliary circuits.. http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=215043

You'll like the Case much better than your Husky. It's a much heavier machine and will take anything you can put it threw and if not they're easy to fix.
I've got an Ingersoll brochure that shows the factory attachments that I can email you if you'd like.
Thank you very much for the information but I think i'll still stick with the three point partially because im looking forward to build it :thThumbsU but I also like a three point more than a sleeve hitch and Im going to just build a three point to sleeve hitch adapter so it would still be compatible :trink39:
 

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Stock pumps are 8-9 gpm, depending on year. Quite sufficient to support cylinder work.

A key consideration is cylinder pressure. A 3 point would do fine, as did the OEMs, coming off the mid lift valve spool, at about 550-600psi.

A log splitter would be best powered of an aux PTO, at aboaut 2000psi.

One caution is to ensure the cylinders aren't so large as to drain or swamp the reservoir. Mostly this applies to log splitters ...

Brian
Well I want to make a FEL and without getting too into depth I would use three cylinders two for lift and the third for the bucket curl. Iknow it all matters how large the cylinders are but on a guess would the stock pump allow enough flow to operate three cylinders and does the resevoir hold enough? Im not sure on what size cylinders Im going to use and to be honest I dont know much when it comes to hydraulics but am willing to learn :fing32:
 

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There is way plenty of hydraulics here to run an average GT loader. Can't advise on Resv capacity, as that is absolutely specific to your cylinder displaced volume.

I don't really advocate loaders on the 200/400's, but lots of people have done it. I'll bow out and let those with direct experience in that realm take on the task ... much to be learned about the hydraulics when you walk down that path ...

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If I were to ever build a loader for something like what you are considering doing, I'd have a serious looks at running an independent pump and all. That keeps the TCV and related outta the picture. Kinda like the way some early farm tractors were set up to accommodate a loader/ aux hydraulics.


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If I were to ever build a loader for something like what you are considering doing, I'd have a serious looks at running an independent pump and all. That keeps the TCV and related outta the picture. Kinda like the way some early farm tractors were set up to accommodate a loader/ aux hydraulics.


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Ive considered doing that also but what would I run the pump off of? The cluctch? The owner before me put a electric clutch on rather than manual would the electric work? and just what does "TCV" mean?
 

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Sorry - Travel Control Valve. And if I had to run an aux. pump, I'd run it off the PTO clutch, just like a mule drive belt does. Or, perhaps , some other conjured up way off the front shaft of the engine.
 

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Personally, I would love to see someone build another F.E.L. for their 200/400 series. and I would particularelly like to see a auxiliaury pump arangement.

I have started looking into a replacement travel control/flow rate valve for the purpose of giving a steady stream of low flow-low pressure hydraulic oil for anyone wanting to put accessories (Other than OEM) on their tractors.

The Hydraulic systems have 2 distinctive circuits, and I am certain that the low flow, low pressure deck lift passages are in a similar to a power Beyond configurations already.

This may make some heads spin on another forum, but at this point I don't care anymore.


I have built, tested and used all 3 possible comfigurations to plumb a loader valve on these tractors, and the very first time I had mine plumbed from the lift circuit of the TCV and It worked without interfering with anything on the high pressure side.
The second try in series, was over taxing the system and the 3rd try like the one I'm using now, is cuting flow to the drive motor.

A power Beyond configuration from the TCV is the only way Case engineers made the 600 series work smoothly, and That's why I would like to see a new member take the initiative to test another system and report their findings on here.

Didn't mean to hijack your thread.

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Personally, I would love to see someone build another F.E.L. for their 200/400 series. and I would particularelly like to see a auxiliaury pump arangement.

I have started looking into a replacement travel control/flow rate valve for the purpose of giving a steady stream of low flow-low pressure hydraulic oil for anyone wanting to put accessories (Other than OEM) on their tractors.

The Hydraulic systems have 2 distinctive circuits, and I am certain that the low flow, low pressure deck lift passages are in a similar to a power Beyond configurations already.

This may make some heads spin on another forum, but at this point I don't care anymore.


I have built, tested and used all 3 possible comfigurations to plumb a loader valve on these tractors, and the very first time I had mine plumbed from the lift circuit of the TCV and It worked without interfering with anything on the high pressure side.
The second try in series, was over taxing the system and the 3rd try like the one I'm using now, is cuting flow to the drive motor.

A power Beyond configuration from the TCV is the only way Case engineers made the 600 series work smoothly, and That's why I would like to see a new member take the initiative to test another system and report their findings on here.

Didn't mean to hijack your thread.

Jay
Dont even worry about it you didnt "hijack" it I love reading up on this stuff Im partially lost on just what Im reading since Im new to the whole hydro stuff but any info I can get Ill take just try to "dumb" it up little if you could :trink40:
 

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There is a guy in Maine that builds a lot of loaders for Case/Ingersoll tractors. You see them on Maine craigslist often. He uses a seperate pump running off the clutch. I think that he uses a old mule drive to mount it.
 

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I always wondered if you could mount a flywheel pulley from a starter generator Kohler engine to a block mounted starter Kohler engine and drive a belt driven pump from the new pulley. Maybe someone knows if this pulley arrangement will work.

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As big as that pulley is it would spin a pump pretty fast (unless you also has a huge pulley on the pump). If you go with a high rpm pump with a small pulley you are also not going to get much belt to pulley contact on the small pulley. Maybe you could attach a smaller pulley to the same 4 bolts on the flywheel. Another thing to consider is that in cold weather you would now be trying to start an engine with two hydraulic pumps full of cold thick oil. One nice advantage to a clutch mount is that you can start and warm the tractor without the front pump engaged. Now to make the loader quick attach like you see on modern sub compacts would be really slick....
 

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Well if I did make the FEL Ive decided I would run a seperate pump off the pto. However I dont know what size pump I would need and on top of that what kind of valve or anything so if anyone could come up with some suggestions it would be awesome :fing32: the thing I am limited on my $$$ I can spend on this project being 18 and working on a small farm I dont make that much :crybaby:so I would like to keep it as low cost as possible.
 
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