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Bx1860/bx2360/jd2305?

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I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a CUT for a 1 acre wooded lot. My intended use of it will be to cut 1/4 acre of grass (drain field and around the house). FEL for mulch, firewood, sand, gravel, snow removal, and general maintenance of the lot. The lot is lakefront so it will also be used to pull the bassboat in and out of the water.

The lot in general is flat except for the back part that butts up against the lake has a gradual slope. I'm having erosion issues with water coming off the gutters so i will probably need to build a retaining wall.

On my short list, I really want to purchase a PTO log splitter and I've read several threads on this forum that state the BX1860 can do the job but not at an accelerated rate like the 23 HP CUT's can. My dealer is telling me the BX1860 can do that specific job no problems.

Specifically this one: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200365528_200365528

On my long list (later down the road) a post hole digger would be ideal but being realistic I should probably rent this because once the jobs done, I probably won't have a need for it.

I'm writing to this forum to ask your sound advice on whether I'm looking at too much tractor with the 23HP? It appears on the surface that the 18HP will do everything I want with maybe the exception of splitting wood might be problematic.

Please fire away if I can supply any more info and thanks in advance!

Eric

PS: Having said all that, I can't wait to get-r-dun! :fing32:
 

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Hello Virginian,
Any of the tractors you mentioned will do a great job for you. I think I would opt for either the BX 2360 or JD 2305 just to have a little more power. Having said that the BX 1860 will amaze you at what it can do too. I would go look at each and test drive to see which one "fits" you the best. Also see how the dealers seem to you as there are few things worse than a bad dealer in my opinion. If all else is the same then I would look at the deal they make with you and go from there. I know these tractors are great for mowing and many other jobs, but if you have a lot of woods be careful because their tranny filters can get a hole in them or the fan get broken if you are not careful where you take them. Enjoy the process and don't get in too big of a hurry. By the way you may want to bury some lines and hook the downspouts into them and carry the water farther away from your house area. Good luck and let us know what you decide on and of course send a picture too. Take care-TPS
 

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Eric,

Welcome to the forum! :Welcome1: You are already getting good advice, but you're going to find there is no end to which we'll spend your money here! :sidelaugh
 

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How large /heavy is your bass boat, and how steep is the ramp? I think in the long run, you'll be happier with the higher hp of the BX2360 or the JD2305, and you'll want some weight for pulling the boat out, a wet, slick ramp doesn't do much for traction.

Gross hp is flywheel hp, and both the drivetrain and pto will deliver less. The pto hp on the 1860 is what you need to look at, which is only 13.7, that's what will be doing the work for you.

I'm all for the 2305 myself, but then I bleed green when cut. I can't fault the Kubota, so who gives you the best deal may be where you want to go.
 

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I have read some threads where the 1860's rear PTO couldn't handle the Post Hole digger so if you're still considering buying one of those, I would look at the 2360 or 2305. Don't know how the 1860 would handle the log splitter but I would spend a little extra if you can afford it for the extra HP.
 

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How large /heavy is your bass boat, and how steep is the ramp? I think in the long run, you'll be happier with the higher hp of the BX2360 or the JD2305, and you'll want some weight for pulling the boat out, a wet, slick ramp doesn't do much for traction.

Gross hp is flywheel hp, and both the drivetrain and pto will deliver less. The pto hp on the 1860 is what you need to look at, which is only 13.7, that's what will be doing the work for you.

I'm all for the 2305 myself, but then I bleed green when cut. I can't fault the Kubota, so who gives you the best deal may be where you want to go.
Thank you for for everyone’s responses so far.

18.5' Ranger, not exactly a large boat by any means but the ramp is very steep. Makes me a little nervouse loading & unloading with my truck. I have built a storage dock with a lift so the boat will only be coming out in the winter and for service and cleaning in general.


I would love the BX2360 or the JD2305, problem is cash flow is real short building our retirement home. Yes, I know the 0% is a killer deal but I'm a cash and carry kind of guy. Making payments on anything tends to erode my ownership experience.

I too have read that the 1860 gags when using a posthole digger. The posthole digging isn't a deal breaker for me, just a "wish" at this point.

Eric
 

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I don't think I'd count on a tractor in this size for pulling a boat upa dn down a hill, especially down. it may be capable of pulling it, and in fact I'm pretty sure my 2305 would pull it up a good slope, but stopping is an alltogether different story.
 

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I don't think I'd count on a tractor in this size for pulling a boat upa dn down a hill, especially down. it may be capable of pulling it, and in fact I'm pretty sure my 2305 would pull it up a good slope, but stopping is an alltogether different story.
I would definitiely agree with that, I've found my 2305 being 'pushed' down a slippery slope with my 8x5 trailer with a cubic meter of gravel on. You'd have to be sure to always stay in 4WD to get the braking effect on the front wheels.
 

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Nice boat. I always wondered why bass boats have to be so fast. Can a smallmouth swim 60 mph?:biglaugh:

I understand completely about cash flow and hating payments. But I also have experienced laying out a tidy sum for something and then not be happy with it, kicking myself that I didn't go just the extra little it would have taken.

I bought a graymarket Yanmar once, had 13.5 pto hp, and it was a dog on a hill with a rear mower. I had to go into granny low to keep the engine turning fast enough for the deck to cut. The dealer let me exchange for one with 18 pto, and it was literally night and day difference, just that little bit extra. The cost difference was about $2K, but I never regretted it.

I can't say it would be the same for you, but if you planned to pay cash for the smaller one, pay that much down on the bigger one and finance the rest, once the cash flow gets going again, pay it off. I'm doing the same on my 748, and just knowing I have what I need makes the "payment pain" go away.

What worries me is pulling the boat out with it. You'd be working with a machine that weighs considerably less than the boat and trailer, and while I'm sure you'd have enough power, like I said earlier, traction is the key, even with 4WD. I'd hate to read about some guy pulling a boat up a ramp with his CUT, only to slide backards into the lake with the whole thing:Stop: I had a 21' Cuddy cabin drag my 4WD pickup all the way back to the water on a wet steep ramp once, the mental images going through my mind weren't pretty.

Look kind of like this, only reversed:
 

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I somewhat agree that you need to be careful putting the boat in with a tractor that size. I don't think I would use it unless I had some significant weight added to the tractor, but with a fully loaded FEL bucket and a ballast box on the back you would have about 3000 to 3500 lbs for traction. Even then, it may be dicey. I could easily see having all tires locked and still being pulled in. :praying:

As far as the log splitter, the one you pointed to runs off the tractor hydraulics. You will need a 3rd circuit at the rear to easily connect to it. I personally would get tired waiting on the cycle times with any of the tractors and that splitter, even though they would all run it. If you fabricate a PTO driven pump, that is a very different story though and again any of them should have sufficient HP to run a very nice splitter.

Except for the boat duties, any of the models you have listed should make easy work of your lot.

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I thought about a 3-pt splitter, but after a while felt like a pull-behind was better. It doesn't tie up your tractor, which you can be using to haul the wood wagon or the brush away. If you have a second machine, then the considerations are different.
 

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I think the 2305 (in 4WD) would handle the Ranger and VMax fine with all cautions taken. If it is not "overly" steep and not too slick. It will do every thing else with flying colors but you will need to be careful with that small of a tractor when backing the boat in the water.
 

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All good points so I will take your comments to heart and remove boat duties off the table. I'll just use my truck for ramp work. Great advice!

Rick - I hear what you are saying about the cycle times on the log splitter. If I'm understanding this particular one correctly, it cuts wood going in both directions = 1/2 the cycle time. I particularly like the catcher on each side so I'm not bending over to pick up the log to cut, cut it then bend over one or two more times to stack the wood. Just my .02 cents.
 

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Virginian, I can't give you an opinion on pulling the boat but I can tell you my BX1860 runs that 3PH Powerhorse splitter just fine. I have used mine to split about a half cord of wood - maple, birch and red oak - since getting it this Spring. I have split birch rounds up to 16". The wedge did get stuck a few times and I used a sledge hammer to dislodge it, then finish the split from the opposite side. I get good performance and cycle times at at about 2400 RPMs. It will run faster at higher RPMs but you will have to deal with a louder engine. By the way, the BX1860 hydraulics spec the same as the BX2350 so performance would be the same for this splitter.

Now, just so you know, you will need to plug the splitter into your FEL remotes (and loose one of the FEL circuits) or, as I did, add rear remotes. I bought and installed this Kubota dual rear remote kit for about $320.

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Chris,

Thanks for the report. I have read several of your reports on upgrading your BX1860. Primarily, this is what sold me on this exact log splitter.

I won't get to test drive any tractors this weekend but maybe next week I can leave work early and do a "seat of the pants" assessment.

Many thanks for your hard work and posts about your BX!

Eric
 

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Virginian,

My thoughts are that an owner will never regret having just a little more power than he actually needs. But will always regret not having enough! I like the cliche, Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it!

Don’t spend your hard earned money economically spend it wisely.
 

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Chris,

Thanks for the report. I have read several of your reports on upgrading your BX1860. Primarily, this is what sold me on this exact log splitter.

I won't get to test drive any tractors this weekend but maybe next week I can leave work early and do a "seat of the pants" assessment.

Many thanks for your hard work and posts about your BX!

Eric
No problem. Glad you found them useful. I went through the same cost benefit debate when I bought mine. To me, these sub cuts are a lot of money relative to your average homeowner tractor, so cost was a factor for me. After debating between the same 3 tractors you're looking at, I decided 18hp was enough for my needs. So far no regrets or disappointments. That said, to me the biggest factor in going up to the 23hp models is whether you need the extra PTO power. When I bought mine, I had no planned use for the rear PTO, but ended up getting a chipper when it showed up on Craig's list for a good price. Even still, it runs the chipper just fine for what I need it for. Good luck on your SCUT hunting.
 

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Virginian,

My thoughts are that an owner will never regret having just a little more power than he actually needs. But will always regret not having enough! I like the cliche, Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it!

Don’t spend your hard earned money economically spend it wisely.
No argument with the above quote. Interestingly, my local Kubota dealer will not stock a BX1860, claiming the local market demands the additional HP of the BX2360.
 
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