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JD is offering 84 months no interest on small tractors, and the local dealer with multiple stores has many dozens of 2018 and 2019 units left over.



I have this funny feeling the boomer generation is slowing down, and the up and coming may have less money to spend on now very expensive property, or may have less interest owning land. I know I could no longer afford to buy the place I have been living in for 30 years. This slowdown seems to apply in some other areas as well, things that had a real boomer sales component.
 

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I think more people are just paying someone else to take care of their property for one thing...but even with the favorable financing terms, the prices for these things are crazy...and John Deere seems to have developed an unfavorable customer relations reputation....potential buyers, who years ago, would not consider anything but a JD are now considering alternatives..I think Kubotas, and the other Asian made ones are still selling pretty well
 

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I know that RV sales have been down over the last few years and that is one of the inducators that some economists look at as a sign of the economy slowing down overall. With the beating that farmers have been taking recently because of the tariffs I would imagine tractor sales are down overall as well.
 

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Or it means there are fewer old farts out there willing to spend 5 or 6 time what they paid on their first home on temporary living quarters. As for the economy slowing that has yet to be seen. In fact I am still waiting for it to improve.
 

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The farmers have been taking a beating for the past 30 years or more. The tariffs are a ray of hope. The tariffs didn't start farmer suffering. I don't know how anybody can make a decent living at farming. Mother Nature is not cooperative and red meat, milk and corn are vilified foods.

Tractor sales are down but so are car sales. There is a reverse industrialization going on. The under 40 crowd doesn't want a car let alone a tractor. They are the Uber using, bike riding and bus taking generation.

Also someone else mentioned something on another thread. Baby boomer tractor buyers don't want to saddle their spouse with having to pay off an expensive tractor if they die.

In the future people won't even have manicured lawns anymore. Or they will have hybrid grass that doesn't grow more than an inch. Grass cutting does take a lot of time and uses a lot of fossil fuels. It is wasteful in a way. I love it though.
 
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The farmers have been taking a beating for the past 30 years or more. The tariffs are a ray of hope. The tariffs didn't start farmer suffering. I don't know how anybody can make a decent living at farming. Mother Nature is not cooperative and red meat, milk and corn are vilified foods.

Tractor sales are down but so are car sales. There is a reverse industrialization going on. The under 40 crowd doesn't want a car let alone a tractor. They are the Uber using, bike riding and bus taking generation.

Also someone else mentioned something on another thread. Baby boomer tractor buyers don't want to saddle their spouse with having to pay off an expensive tractor if they die.

In the future people won't even have manicured lawns anymore. Or they will have hybrid grass that doesn't grow more than an inch. Grass cutting does take a lot of time and uses a lot of fossil fuels. It is wasteful in a way. I love it though.
I love it too!!!
 

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What was the cause of the last sales slump, or the one before that, or the one in the early 1960s? Farmers, lawns, kids, and tractors of every type, all survived, in fact thrived taken as a whole.

Some day, the current GT will wear out and be replaced.

My dad always said idle hands are the devil's playthings. Just a reminder that getting someone else to do your work tends to produce more idle hands.
 

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The farmers have been taking a beating for the past 30 years or more. The tariffs are a ray of hope. The tariffs didn't start farmer suffering. I don't know how anybody can make a decent living at farming. Mother Nature is not cooperative and red meat, milk and corn are vilified foods.

Tractor sales are down but so are car sales. There is a reverse industrialization going on. The under 40 crowd doesn't want a car let alone a tractor. They are the Uber using, bike riding and bus taking generation.

Also someone else mentioned something on another thread. Baby boomer tractor buyers don't want to saddle their spouse with having to pay off an expensive tractor if they die.

In the future people won't even have manicured lawns anymore. Or they will have hybrid grass that doesn't grow more than an inch. Grass cutting does take a lot of time and uses a lot of fossil fuels. It is wasteful in a way. I love it though.
Farmers have been taking it on the chin for a lot longer than 30 years...Read or watch The Grapes of Wrath...written in 1939
Last night there was a documentary on TV about a guy in Ohio...took over his grandfathers dairy farm...it takes a certain type of person to do that kind of work for uncertain reward
If people had the money to buy one of those big farm tractors and implements...they wouldn't have to work at all
 

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I am getting to the point where I would consider a lawn service but most want to put you on a regular schedule. That doesn't always work out well. There are times I can't mow due to heavy rain in the past few days, I haven't done any research on it yet but it would have be a lawn service I can work with.
I have always enjoyed maintaining my property. I have heated with wood the past 44 years but this will be my first year not doing that. We have been thinking a lot lately about downsizing so being a part of the baby boom generation I will have less need for all the equipment I have and won't be buying any in the future.
That article that was posted says a lawn service would do a better job than most of us can do for ourselves. I doubt I could afford a service that does all I do around my property and I doubt they would do it to my satisfaction. More reason to downsize.
 

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The Millennial crowd can't afford to move out of Mom & Dad's basement nor do they want to. As long as they have cell phone service. These kids aren't buying houses or cars either.
 
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The lawn mowing companies where I live have become so competitive that they drove the prices down. Neighbors have a half acre and being charged only $25. I may hire him. My brother has 2.25 acres he is charged only $60. My sister has an acre she is charged only $35. These prices include edging. Everyone I talk to say they can come once a week or every two weeks. Even three weeks if you don't need a cut. Like in July when its 95 and dry. They are flexible. I think this maybe the way to go.
 

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Everyone is hiring a lawn service. Its about the same price as doing it yourself. And think how much more free time you can spend with your kids and grand kids. Read this article below.

https://www.yourgreenpal.com/blog/mow-the-lawn-or-pay-a-service
That wasn't an article, it was an infomercial for a lawn service company. Big difference!

Since I have been in Florida in various locations, I have seen the lawn care companies perform their tasks. To say that I am impressed with the performance and/or attention to detail, that would be wrong. From what I've seen, they are about on par with the State prisoners on the chain gang doing the highway right of way. I've asked the bossman for them to skip mine and even posted signs to that effect.
 
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That wasn't an article, it was an infomercial for a lawn service company. Big difference!

Since I have been in Florida in various locations, I have seen the lawn care companies perform their tasks. To say that I am impressed with the performance and/or attention to detail, that would be wrong. From what I've seen, they are about on par with the State prisoners on the chain gang doing the highway right of way. I've asked the bossman for them to skip mine and even posted signs to that effect.
You may have terrible people down there doing lawn work I guess because they have to do it all year long. Maybe that's all they do is cut grass. The ones up here do quality work from what I can see. They basically cut grass maybe two or three days a week and the other days they landscape, do tree work, install hardscapes, sprinklers, and patios which require more skills. As a result they are paid more and you have quality work.
 

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You may have terrible people down there doing lawn work I guess because they have to do it all year long. Maybe that's all they do is cut grass. The ones up here do quality work from what I can see. They basically cut grass maybe two or three days a week and the other days they landscape, do tree work, install hardscapes, sprinklers, and patios which require more skills. As a result they are paid more and you have quality work.
That was very laughable. So, that means that since they do the job every day year round here, they don't know what they are doing as opposed to those by you that only do it occasionally and so are better workers? You are most likely dealing with a company that has different workers for different jobs. To you, their faces and uniforms may all be the same, but I highly doubt that the same person cutting the grass is the same person doing aerial work in that tree and the same person is installing that hardscape.

My opinion was formed not solely by what I see here, but what I have seen living in many other parts of the country.
 

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I live on Long Island in New York.....and most people, not just the wealthy pay someone to cut their lawn and take care of their property......if they don't do it well there is plenty of competition and customers will move on.....I see different levels of service, but even what would be considered "the worst" do a very nice job...but the lawns up here are really grass that gives them something to work with....I think in Florida it is mostly crabgrass that does not look so terrible when maintained, but does not look so great under the best of conditions...so you can't blame the workers...there is just so much they can do with what they have to work with. On Thursdays and Fridays, you can't drive through my neighborhood with all the landscapers out there getting properties ready to look good for the weekend....they are mostly Spanish guys that work hard, and take pride in their work...and it shows.
 

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Assuming you're (rhetorical, non accusatory) a boomer, and you've got a machine that fits your needs at your current property, why buy new/bigger when your plans are often to just downsize in the next few years? To that point, if downsizing you'll possibly sell your machine to someone a bit younger, further reducing new tractor sales. We younger folks don't have a ton of disposable income after college and purchasing a home and property large enough to warrant a tractor, to boot.


Kind note: I see some millennial/xennial shaming in this thread for which I have come to expect, but please consider that there are members on this forum under 40 who do not, nor have ever, lived in their parents' basements. For the unfortunate that do, please consider the OP's point of having the means to afford the home you did 30 years ago, today.
 

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robhay2, that was very well put.

I was on the streets, homeless, for three years before SS finally determined I was disabled. Lost the house in Denver and everything else then rode a recumbent pedal trike to Florida. With the back pay from SS, I bought my house outright for $20K in cash. There are deals all over the country, you just have to be flexible in things. I live by myself on the fixed income from SSD, which puts me barely above poverty level. Even so, I am very slowly recovering what I had before.
My tractors have all been either donated or for very cheap. New? Completely out of the question.
 

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JD is offering 84 months no interest on small tractors, and the local dealer with multiple stores has many dozens of 2018 and 2019 units left over.

Why would anyone want to buy a JD CUT tractor with markup because of green paint? People are getting wise that the JD CUTS are Yanmars, thus they are going to the source.

Yanmar is making CUT machines now in Georgia for the North American market.

Likewise, LS is making tractors here too.

Mahindra has the best long 7 year warranty and has now out sold every maker for CUT and just larger than CUT machines.
Strong tractors sales to power Mahindra and Escorts growth; shares gain
https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/strong-tractors-sales-to-power-mahindra-and-escorts-growth-shares-gain-118040400005_1.html

The largest tractor market segment right now are CUTs 20Hp to 100Hp. The top dog is a 4WD with front loader.

For just all out market share of Ag in general globally, JD isn't the lead anymore.
Deere Turns to U.S. After Growth Stalls Overseas
https://www.wsj.com/articles/deere-turns-to-u-s-after-growth-stalls-overseas-11569150000

Asia Continent


And it get worse in EU too.


At least on the NA market JD is still on top.
 
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