Thanks for the ideas and links TooMany, I followed your grapple build on here last year, but couldn't find it, your work is what got me thinking about adding a grapple. I don't have the skills you do though, when I said "wrench turner" that's what I meant. My metal working skills are pretty much limited to "gorilla welding" (strong, but UGLY!), and hitting things real hard with a big hammer. I vaguely remembered your posts about how you plumbed your 3rd function yourself, so I figured someone here would know how to do it. Maybe if I actually get a day in the shop over the next month, I'll start exploring the connections in and under my tractor to see if it scares me off. So thanks again.