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I may be "underthinking" this again, but after going to both ends of the internet, I've found that adding third function hydraulics to my L2800 so I can add a grapple to the FEL is going to cost between $775 for a kit, to "about $1000" to have a dealer install said 3rd function. That looks like a lot of money for what appears to me to be basically a valve, some fittings and a couple of lengths of hose.
I heard the idea of using the rear connections, but I have a backhoe attached, which is really handy for big stumps, and takes about 30 minutes to remove or reinstall, so that's too big a pain when I'm clearing brush (including trees) from my land.
Has anyone done a "self invented" kit/installation for 3rd function on an FEL that would actually recommend a fairly ignorant wrench turner (me) to try it? Or do the smarter folks here recommend I pay the dealer to install the kit and shut up?
(I feel constrained to add that I'm getting cheap because of how much I'm going to cough up to get the grapple itself, to clear the area to build a fence to enclose the well to serve the barn to...well you get the picture.)
 

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Depending on the valve set that is currently on the loader, there are 2 options. A monoblock valve set should already have a power beyond kit in it and will only require another valve with its own power beyond kit, plus the necessary hoses (3) and a "T" fitting.

A stacked valve set requires only the purchase of another compatible valve section, longer bolts to hold it together, and 2 hoses.

Not a difficult job either way. Certainly not a $1000 job, more like $300 as a DIY project, unless you're stuck paying your dealers price for a third section of an OEM stacked valve.

This one will give you six functions for less than the dealer's kit will cost. You can plug off the unused spools and remove the handles. Sub it in for the existing valve set.

http://baileynet.com/index.php?dnfwd=1&page=ProductDetails&line=CVTJ&baileyno=220-951

This page will let you choose which valves you want in a stack. Price for a 3 spool stack is something a little over $300. This will also sub for the existing valve set.

http://baileynet.com/hydraulics/bailey_hydraulics_other_products/?productcategory=1000071

This one for just adding on to the existing system. Requires the power beyond kit, unless the system relief is at the pump instead of the valves.

http://baileynet.com/index.php?dnfwd=1&page=ProductDetails&line=CVL5&baileyno=220-110
 

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I made a diverter type 3rd function for my Kubota, the valve I used is no longer available from Surplus Center but there are other diverter valves out there. I have less than $300 in my setup. You can use a seperate valve for grapple but it will require either a second hand or having to take your hand off the loader valve which can be annoying when trying to grab a load.
The other option is to use a electric double acting valve like this one http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=179289 + https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?catname=hydraulic&item=9-5883-1 .

You can either make a control knob to mount on the loader joystick or buy one, however buying one is not cheap.

Since you already have a power beyond kit for the backhoe it should be fairly easy to add a plumb the hyd. as you should be able to tie it into the existing lines with leaving them hooked up to the BH.

If you decide to go the self buit route there are plenty of people on here to help you figure out the hookup as long as you have some basic mechanical knowledge which it sounds like you do.

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Thanks for the ideas and links TooMany, I followed your grapple build on here last year, but couldn't find it, your work is what got me thinking about adding a grapple. I don't have the skills you do though, when I said "wrench turner" that's what I meant. My metal working skills are pretty much limited to "gorilla welding" (strong, but UGLY!), and hitting things real hard with a big hammer. I vaguely remembered your posts about how you plumbed your 3rd function yourself, so I figured someone here would know how to do it. Maybe if I actually get a day in the shop over the next month, I'll start exploring the connections in and under my tractor to see if it scares me off. So thanks again.
 

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Dive in! As long as you can post pictures I'm sure we can help you work through any snags you run into. I'm by no means a metal master, the grapple was one of my first major projects and I leaned alot of thinks that I would do differently if I were to do it again.

However I can tell you the grapple has been one of my most used implements on the tractor, I'd say its been on the loader just as much or more than the materials bucket.

You already have the PB on the tractor for the backhoe so I'd say tying in shouldn't be a problem. That was the hardest part for my 3rd function intall, tying in and finding a place to mount the valve itself lol.

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Dive in! As long as you can post pictures I'm sure we can help you work through any snags you run into. I'm by no means a metal master, the grapple was one of my first major projects and I leaned alot of thinks that I would do differently if I were to do it again.

However I can tell you the grapple has been one of my most used implements on the tractor, I'd say its been on the loader just as much or more than the materials bucket.

You already have the PB on the tractor for the backhoe so I'd say tying in shouldn't be a problem. That was the hardest part for my 3rd function intall, tying in and finding a place to mount the valve itself lol.

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Gezze looks like you used pretty much the same valve I did for my setup on my 2320. I used mine for aux hyd out the back to run a hyd top link and turn the chute on my blower. I used all custom made rubber lines and in the end was out over $800.00. Heck up here I paid almost $300.00 just for the electric diverter valve. I think I will take some of you ideas and redo the lines to hard lines as I want to add another function to the unit for a hyd side link. Gotta say your install looks pretty sweet.

Here is the thread I did on my install, just rear remotes instead of extras on the front.

http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=92080
 

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Well, I figured out all the "figuring" I needed to make a decision here. Working on my 3rd retirement fund right now doesn't give me the time I'd need to build everything, and after sitting down for about an hour drawing pictures and trying to get the list of just the hydraulic fittings I'd need (never mind the hose lengths and valve and mounting and switches) and coming up with three different lists of fittings, I decided I'd go ahead and buy the pre-made kit. I also ordered a grapple, figuring a couple of semi-straight welds to fasten it to the bucket, and to fasten some reinforcement to the bucket was within my limited capabilities. I'm kind of in a rush, I need to get some land cleared to build my new "barndominium" so I can move before the city annexes their way to me. (16 years ago I was 10 miles from the city, now it's a little over 2, getting too crowded here for me, got to move out another 30 miles.)
 
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