[david doyle]

see if you can see the diffrence between the two repsonses and wonder to your self which is better for the CI owner seeking help. Can you imagine why a 'schmuck" would dislike seeing someone repetitively cutting and pasting the same link over and over and never really being helpful. (unless there is a part to be sold)
I could'nt care less who visits what site but know that many people (myself included big time) have recieved alot of great advice on this site and unless it is promoted on this site then it is wasted and that is not fair to the person who posts on here seeking assistance or knowledge. A lazy mind does find easier solutions.


Typical Question:

Quote:
Originally Posted by rabbit rescue
I was hoping for some insight on this repair from some of the members here that know these inside and out

One way of filling space :

I may get some static, again, for doing this, but it is the best advise I can give ,IMHO! go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/casegardentractors/
You will have to register to access the files, but in MHO, every Case/Ingersoll owner should be a member of both groups. Files on about any question you could ask, are archived there, with over 4000 members ready to give a C/I newbee a hand. At least the "second" greatest site on the internet!

The way questions are often answered on MTF (notice the reference to the yahoo site very helpful)

Actually, I was hoping the same thing.


Your tractor should have the EZ-Clutch on it. The mechanical clutches used on these tractors are a very solid unit and they last quite a long time. However, just like the clutch in your car or truck, they do need adjustment and they do wear out.....eventually.

To get at the clutch you need to unplug the headlamps and remove the hood. Then remove the four frame bolts that hold the oil cooler mount in place plus the few small bolts that hold the muffler shield. At that point, you should be able to swing the cooler to one side.

Remove the plastic fan and then the large nut that holds the clutch together. Be carefull with this nut because it is cast, not solid steel and if you are rough with it, you can break it. Carefully dismantle the clutch and place all items in a row so you know the order in which it all came apart. When everything has been removed from the shaft, check out the shaft itself. If the shaft is badly grooved/worn and has noticable ridges on it, then you may have to replace it. Really bad shafts can cause you all kinds of grief when you are trying to get a proper adjustment.

Some ridges can be removed by starting the engine, running it at an idle and then lightly touching the shaft with a fine cut flat file, the wider the better. Keep in mind that there are three bearing races that ride on this shaft and if you want those races to do their job, then the shaft cannot be grossly undersized.

You need to check all three of those bearings to make sure that there is no roughness in them. They must rotate easily or the shaft will spin inside them and that's one of the things that ruins these shafts. You also need to check the thickness of the clutch disc and if it's too thin, then it needs to be replaced.

Rol has given you the link to join the Yahoo CCI group. Access the FILES section and find the folder that has to do with the clutches and read everything. You must inspect each and every part and you must put the correct items in the correct quantities in the correct spot as you re-assemble the clutch. Adjusting it takes some practice so don't expect to get it right the first, second or even third try.

You can stop your engine from rotating by removing the spark plug and then dropping a foot of 3/8" rope inside the cylinder. Just put a knot on one end of the rope so you don't drop the whole length in. The piston will squish the rope against the underside of the head, preventing the engine from rotating further. When the clutch lever is disengaged, the clutch pulley should rotate easily. When you try engaging the clutch, the pressure needed should be small initially and then increase rapidly until the very last part of the stroke when you feel the clutch lever "go over the top" and "snap into position".

Read the instructions carefully again and again until you fully understand the procedure.

:congrats:[/QUOTE]

 

[Ken N Tx]

It appears to me that some people are too lazy to answer the question, they would just rather refer the member to another website to get the answer. :fing20:

 

[Magnum RT]

see if you can see the diffrence between the two repsonses and wonder to your self which is better for the CI owner seeking help. Can you imagine why a 'schmuck" would dislike seeing someone repetitively cutting and pasting the same link over and over and never really being helpful. (unless there is a part to be sold)
I could'nt care less who visits what site but know that many people (myself included big time) have recieved alot of great advice on this site and unless it is promoted on this site then it is wasted and that is not fair to the person who posts on here seeking assistance or knowledge. A lazy mind does find easier solutions.


Typical Question:



One way of filling space :




The way questions are often answered on MTF (notice the reference to the yahoo site very helpful)

:congrats:

[/QUOTE]
Yup, Speaking of "filling space," I believe my answer was short and to the point, "where to get the information," pure and simple.

In my years of teaching, I found that students learned much more when given information sources, than when told that 2 x 2 = 4. I see no need to clutter any board with the same information over and over. Anyone who is to lacking in ambition to help them selves to what is offered, don't deserve help. Next time they need the same answer they will have to ask again. Help them find the answer and they will have it next time.

This thread is a waste of my time and MTF space, so Mr Doyle, I will let you carry it on, if you wish.

With due respect,

 

[danbike]

The real meaning of SCHMUCK

From wikipedia. I prefer the Yiddish term.

Schmuck is most often used in American English as a pejorative or insult, meaning an obnoxious or contemptible person; one who is stupid, foolish, or detestable.

Schmuck entered English as a borrowed pejorative from the common Yiddish insult, where it is an obscene term for penis.[1] In his cultural lexicon, The Joys of Yiddish, Leo Rosten lists the Yiddish schmuck as related to the Slovene word, šmok, meaning "a fool, an innocent, a gullible dolt".[verification needed] The Online Etymology Dictionary derives it from the Polish word smok for snake, dragon as an euphemism for "penis".[2]

 

[Caseguytoo]

Re: The real meaning of SCHMUCK

From wikipedia. I prefer the Yiddish term.

Schmuck is most often used in American English as a pejorative or insult, meaning an obnoxious or contemptible person; one who is stupid, foolish, or detestable.

Schmuck entered English as a borrowed pejorative from the common Yiddish insult, where it is an obscene term for penis.[1] In his cultural lexicon, The Joys of Yiddish, Leo Rosten lists the Yiddish schmuck as related to the Slovene word, šmok, meaning "a fool, an innocent, a gullible dolt".[verification needed] The Online Etymology Dictionary derives it from the Polish word smok for snake, dragon as an euphemism for "penis".[2]

None of which apply to the original poster.

 

[JimD]

personally, i would have appreciated either answer. one gave a detailed description of how to fix the clutch. the other gave a link to a place where the same answer might have been given. he may not have known the answer himself. in the end, both parties gave freely of their time and made the effort to try and help. i thank you both. think of the guests reading over the forum, and considering becoming members, then they see this. i wonder how many get scared off for fear of being criticized. this thread, and others like it, are nothing more than a big red zit on the nose of the best tractor forum on the net. if i were a moderator, i would apply a big gob of clearasil, and close this thread here and now. have a nice day!:biglaugh:

 

[Caseguytoo]

Life without the occasional bit of criticism isn't really much of a life, IMHO. :biglaugh: All that tells me is that you aren't really doing very much of any value, hence the lack of any comment. :00000060: Anyone who lurks and reads here for any length of time knows full well that disagreements do take place, just as they do in their own lives but those disagreements are few and far between. Nothing that has happened on this forum should dissuade someone from joining MTF and posting. If anything, MTF is a bit over-the-top with political correctness but it's better to be that way than to allow rampant flaming on the boards. :duh:

I have been a member on more than one on-line forum where the mere mention of a competing on-line forum would get you booted off and banned for life. Not only did management frown on it but quite often some of the membership would get upset as well. isgus:

If anything, this thread simply highlights one of the major differences between MTF and the Colt/Case/Ingersoll forum at Yahoo. That site is solely dedicated to the marque and the standard Yahoo format allows for a "FILES" section for members to store data about these tractors so that other members can easily access that information at will. About the best that MTF offers is the ability for a Mod to place a sticky at the top of the board. Unfortunately, the entire first page of this board would be taken up with stickies if pertinent files for these tractors were created.:bananapow

 

[JimD]

i agree that the yahoo groups have a lot of good information, i'm a member of a few myself. i guess it comes down to which type if answer you want. i thought that appreciating both answers was a comment. thanking both responders, another comment. then i fell into the criticism trap myself. my apologies for having an opinion, like you. i'll go on my way now, not doing much of any value, and leave that to you, though i don't see any more value in your comments than mine.:00000060:

 

[Caseguytoo]

i agree that the yahoo groups have a lot of good information, i'm a member of a few myself. i guess it comes down to which type if answer you want. i thought that appreciating both answers was a comment. thanking both responders, another comment. then i fell into the criticism trap myself. my apologies for having an opinion, like you. i'll go on my way now, not doing much of any value, and leave that to you, though i don't see any more value in your comments than mine.:00000060:

If what I wrote was to be directed squarely at you, then I would have hit the QUOTE button and included what you wrote in my post. Just so you know, my comments were not directed at you or what you wrote per se', but were more of a general reply regarding criticism and how over-sensitive some people can be on this forum when they rightly or wrongly conclude that they have been criticized.

It would seem that you are now criticising me in the belief that I just criticized you. :sidelaugh

 

[JimD]

If what I wrote was to be directed squarely at you, then I would have hit the QUOTE button and included what you wrote in my post. Just so you know, my comments were not directed at you or what you wrote per se', but were more of a general reply regarding criticism and how over-sensitive some people can be on this forum when they rightly or wrongly conclude that they have been criticized.

It would seem that you are now criticising me in the belief that I just criticized you. :sidelaugh

i stand corrected, lesson learned, do not assume! :sidelaugh

my apologies.

 

[ing6018]

In early March of this year I ran across an Ingersoll 6018 on the local Craigslist. Until then I do not recall ever seeing a Colt/Case/Ingersoll garden tractor. The ad was intriguing enough for me to do some research.

After Googling around a while I kept running into posts on a few message boards and forums. The MTF caught my eye because the engine (look and feel of the site) was comfortable. I spent quite a bit of time reading the posts and searching the archives to get information.

My impression of the site was that it was an easygoing, comfortable forum and I appreciated the camaraderie, information, humor, and good-natured ribbing. Here I found a group of disparate individuals joined by a common interest. I became comfortable enough with the information I found here to acquire the Ingy. It has been in my garage since the end of March, and I still have no regrets about the purchase.

I also started to recognize the dynamics and personalities. All in all, it was a great place to get started and it is a place I return to each evening after work to look through the days posts. I always learn a lot and enjoy the interaction.

It has been a very long time since I crawled under a tractor and stared at the linkages and made a couple quick adjustments to improve the feel of the speed control pedal. The satisfaction when it works is something I had almost forgotten. It’s a great feeling and I thank all of you who contribute for helping me bring back the feeling.

After I got started, I also spent some time on the Yahoo CCI forum. I don't like the interface as well as MTF. The inconsistent way the threads get strung together gets annoying. I have a hard time keeping up with the action.

Sometimes I get confused because a new post seems to address someone else's post that I can't find. Sometimes it is hours before the original post appears. From the comments I have read there are significant issues with updating posts so it is just something you have to get used to.

Also, a lot of posts don’t appear directed to the group, but seem more like private text messaging between individuals. Because I haven't figured out the participants yet, there is a lot of stuff that I miss. But, look through older threads or run a search - there is a LOT of information there.

The photos and files sections are great, however, some of the information is outdated and disorganized. But, what's there is valuable.

It is a place I return to each evening after work to look through the days posts. I always learn a lot and enjoy the interaction.

Bottom line for me: People are People. Whenever they interact, personalities will occasionally collide and conflict. Respect others; let everybody have a little more room. Give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.

Treat this like other aspects of your life. Take what you need - give what you can.

I once saw a quote from a venerable Hollywood actress known for her calm, serene demeanor. When asked what contributed to her outlook, she responded "Good digestion and a poor memory".

Eat well, and forget the unnecessary.

 

[Ken N Tx]

We have some very knowledgeable and experienced Members here on the Case and Ingersoll Forum , why not answer a new members question?? There are times that we do not have all the answers, so yes by all means refer a member to a dedicated Forum that might give a solution to the question.

We do not have a "Files Section", but we do have the MTF Reference Library ..At this time it is limited to Manuals but I am sure Simple_john would welcome other material.

 

[HiPocket]

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We do not have a "Files Section", but we do have the MTF Reference Library ..At this time it is limited to Manuals but I am sure Simple_john would welcome other material.

Great idea. Something that would greatly enhance the utility/value of this brand forum.

 

[Caseguytoo]

We have some very knowledgeable and experienced Members here on the Case and Ingersoll Forum , why not answer a new members question?? There are times that we do not have all the answers, so yes by all means refer a member to a dedicated Forum that might give a solution to the question.

We do not have a "Files Section", but we do have the MTF Reference Library ..At this time it is limited to Manuals but I am sure Simple_john would welcome other material.

In order for the Reference Library to work successfully, it would have to be divided up into brand specific areas. Otherwise, it would be difficult to discern which material applies to a Deere instead of a Horse etc. Perhaps this is something that you could canvas with John to see what the costs would be to develop such an area for reference materials.

 

[Ken N Tx]

In order for the Reference Library to work successfully, it would have to be divided up into brand specific areas. Otherwise, it would be difficult to discern which material applies to a Deere instead of a Horse etc. Perhaps this is something that you could canvas with John to see what the costs would be to develop such an area for reference materials.

When I view the Library, I see brands, Bolens, Ford,Kubota,
MTD,Wheel Horse etc..

It might be possible to categorize a little different..

Suggestions???

 

[Caseguytoo]

Currently, the library has six pages of reference materials that apply to tractors ranging from LT's to full size Utility. In order for a library to really work for users, it needs to be efficient so it is easy to access materials very quickly.

The MTF site is divided into three basic tractor catagories. Full size, CUT's and GT's. IMO, each catagory should have its own reference library with sub-libraries specific to each of the popular brands plus one for the "others". Whether this is a monumental undertaking or not, I don't know because I'm not a website constructor.

Anything that does get constructed would need to accept documents in more than one format, including PDF. Having a library set up this way would make it simple for newbies to access information that is asked on the sites repeatedly. It would also reduce the number of instances where newbies are re-directed to another site to access information. Maybe you should put this idea into a post and put it into each of the GT forums initially to see how much support there is out there for it. I'm sure that the "regulars" who populate these forums on a daily basis would welcome having such a library that is specific to their brand so they wouldn't have to constantly answer the same questions again and again.

 

[Ken N Tx]

Currently, the library has six pages of reference materials that apply to tractors ranging from LT's to full size Utility. In order for a library to really work for users, it needs to be efficient so it is easy to access materials very quickly.

The MTF site is divided into three basic tractor catagories. Full size, CUT's and GT's. IMO, each catagory should have its own reference library with sub-libraries specific to each of the popular brands plus one for the "others". Whether this is a monumental undertaking or not, I don't know because I'm not a website constructor.

Anything that does get constructed would need to accept documents in more than one format, including PDF. Having a library set up this way would make it simple for newbies to access information that is asked on the sites repeatedly. It would also reduce the number of instances where newbies are re-directed to another site to access information. Maybe you should put this idea into a post and put it into each of the GT forums initially to see how much support there is out there for it. I'm sure that the "regulars" who populate these forums on a daily basis would welcome having such a library that is specific to their brand so they wouldn't have to constantly answer the same questions again and again.

The "regulars" are the ones who submitted the info to simple_john for the Library.

Using the search link, in the library, brings up that brand.

I agree, it needs to be fine tuned to make it easier to navigate, but it is not too bad now..

I will bring this Thread up with the Moderating Staff and see what can be done.

 

[D-Dogg]

Personally, I don't see it as laziness to post an external link that might exactly answer a person's question. I'm more of a "teach a man to fish..." sort of guy.

We should be submitting more ideas for stickys and library material, and that falls upon each member. For example, I would love to have a compiled thread on the subject of filling tires, as there were no less than a half dozen posts on the subject this year.

BTW, Schmuck is also the German word for jewel or jewelry.

 

[HiPocket]

There is a big need on MTF for an easy to access library which could provide a greater width and depth of information of each brand's machinery. This has been touched on before but nothing really has been done on it.

It was asked why we didn't have more info here on CI equipment like yahoo has. This type forum architecture seems to work better than yahoo.

 

[mbkerk]

Using the search link, in the library, brings up that brand.

Agreed...

The search link can be narrowed by using "Advanced Search" and can be set to search ONLY the "Reference Library" forum.

While the Reference Library may not be organized in such a way to make it easy to find something either brand specific, or type of equipment specific, it is not difficult to find something there by using the tools provided here.