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Standing in the shop in front of the heater yesterday, wondering what to do next, I saw my hand truck standing off to the side. Then I wondered what it would look like hooked to the front of my tractor.

Now I know. It's now a dual puropose hand truck/tractor truck
 

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Jack, I need to bring a truck load of my spare stuff over with a tractor. I'm guessing we would chat for 15 minutes or so, and peek at your handy work, just to grease your wheels a bit, then you'd take off on some fantasy conversion of whatever it was I brought, and it would head back home with me in rare, fully functional form with new paint and custom exhaust.

I like the way you think! I'm guessing a lot of days start this way
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Standing in the shop in front of the heater yesterday, wondering what to do next...
 

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Jack, I need to bring a truck load of my spare stuff over with a tractor. I'm guessing we would chat for 15 minutes or so, and peek at your handy work, just to grease your wheels a bit, then you'd take off on some fantasy conversion of whatever it was I brought, and it would head back home with me in rare, fully functional form with new paint and custom exhaust.

I like the way you think! I'm guessing a lot of days start this way
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:thanku: Sounds like fun. Can you get here tomorrow? I'm ready. My projects are lacking at the moment. Waiting for a propane conversion kit for my genset. When that comes in all creative thinking stops until that is installed. Must be ready for armagedon. :hide:

Bring a boat, we have more water than land at the moment. More coming today.
 

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It's now a dual puropose hand truck/tractor truck
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Jack that is one great idea. Makes me wonder...

Could that be adapted in any way to pull the cylinder from a lying-down position in the back of a pickup truck, then transport it with the tractor?

Reason I ask, a few years ago I had my right shoulder and arm ruined by this very type of propane cylinder. Had surgery and got it mostly fixed but the Doc said that if I ruin it again, it'll be ruined for life. I still have to use this kind of cylinder because we cook (and to some extent heat) with propane. It happened because the new kid at the place where I used to go said he'd help me put it back into the truck after filling it. We lifted it then he walked off with me hanging onto it...

But boy howdy, that would be the cat's meow if I could find a way to handle those cylinders by myself again.
 

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Jack that is one great idea. Makes me wonder...

Could that be adapted in any way to pull the cylinder from a lying-down position in the back of a pickup truck, then transport it with the tractor?

Reason I ask, a few years ago I had my right shoulder and arm ruined by this very type of propane cylinder. Had surgery and got it mostly fixed but the Doc said that if I ruin it again, it'll be ruined for life. I still have to use this kind of cylinder because we cook (and to some extent heat) with propane. It happened because the new kid at the place where I used to go said he'd help me put it back into the truck after filling it. We lifted it then he walked off with me hanging onto it...

But boy howdy, that would be the cat's meow if I could find a way to handle those cylinders by myself again.
Correct me if I'm wrong,but isn't that a 100lb.tank?If you could go to a 100gal.size,they'd come out to fill it,at least they will where I'm at.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong,but isn't that a 100lb.tank?If you could go to a 100gal.size,they'd come out to fill it,at least they will where I'm at.
My tanks (2) are 100# tanks. I always take them in on a trailer standing vertical. Problem with layng them down, as I understand it, is that if the relief valve pops, it spits liquid rather than gas and will immediately fill the interior of a car or van. A very explosive situation. I was told to never lay it down when full.

Is that right?
 

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Yep Never lay down! A few years ago I was stopped coming out of a fuel yard with a 100# tank laying down. Was told by owner of this large heating oil/propane company that laying tank down would/could cause the top of tank valve to freeze and possibly crack. I took his advise and made a rack on my trailer to strap tank in standing up.

Liquid is colder than gas and the quick change in temp can cause the valve to crack, he told me. Release of latent energy, as in in a steam boiler, from steam to condensate (liquid)
 

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My tanks (2) are 100# tanks. A very explosive situation. I was told to never lay it down when full. Is that right?
Then I guess they are 100lb.Not 100gal.As for laying'em down?? Not sure,but I would ask the folks that fill'em to be sure.I would be more concerned about the valve getting knocked off and shooting thru the back of the truck like a missile.I know when I fill my welding tanks they have a metal cap just for that reason.
 

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Then I guess they are 100lb.Not 100gal.As for laying'em down?? Not sure,but I would ask the folks that fill'em to be sure.I would be more concerned about the valve getting knocked off and shooting thru the back of the truck like a missile.I know when I fill my welding tanks they have a metal cap just for that reason.
Propane tank pressure is between 100# and 200# and oxygen tanks may have a pressure of 3000#.....a big difference. Thus the reason for the metal caps on high pressure tanks.

A propane tank that is meant to be vertical will have gas at the valve and when laid down on its side, liquid will cover the valve. If it is opened with liquid at the valve, liquid will squirt out and instantly become gas. A small amount of liquid makes a huge amount of gas. Not a pretty picture.
 

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Maybe you could design your mount to ratchet strap the tank to the hand cart and have the tractor mount be a swivel to rotate horizontal or vertical similiar to an engine stand.
 

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Yep Never lay down! A few years ago I was stopped coming out of a fuel yard with a 100# tank laying down. Was told by owner of this large heating oil/propane company that laying tank down would/could cause the top of tank valve to freeze and possibly crack. I took his advise and made a rack on my trailer to strap tank in standing up.

Liquid is colder than gas and the quick change in temp can cause the valve to crack, he told me. Release of latent energy, as in in a steam boiler, from steam to condensate (liquid)
If that's true, why are many lp fork trucks equipt with horizontal tanks? Many R/V's also use removable horizontal propane tanks without problems. They don't have anything to require a top orientation as if there was something internal to keep the liquid propane from getting into the valve.

I take a 100# tank, secured laying down, to my propane supplier to get it filled & their only concern was that I make sure it is secured so it can't roll around. My tank also does have a threaded steel cap to prevent valve damage during handling.
 
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