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? 4310 + e130 = x590 ? = x790 ?

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Trying to keep this decision based in reality because 15 years ago we succumbed to John Deere fantasy. (Mr. Beef, we watched your video series on buying a JD, so we know you understand.)

Hubby and I are in our seventies. We have seven acres we maintain here in New England. The lot is mostly field surrounded on three sides by stone walls and forest on the fourth. Two acres flat at the top slope down (three acres) to a two acre field. On the flat section up top we have a tiny cottage with foundation plantings, a one-car garage with a 12 x 10 shed attached, and a dog yard that is an eighth of an acre. The soil is poor; the grass is nothing special. In our forty years here we have done nothing more than lime the field and feed the older maples and oaks.

Fifteen years ago the neighbor who had been brush-hogging the field passed away so we traded in our little JD for a 4310 with center mower deck (72”), bucket (430 loader), hydraulic power pack bagger (S1323), 47 backhoe, post hole digger, 72” blade, and 3 PT spreader. Considering the fact that neither one of us is mechanically inclined (We don’t even change the car oil ourselves.), and we were both working jobs with long commutes, you can reasonably ask, “WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?”.

A few weeks ago our John Deere dealer came out to replace the potentiometer and we started talking. The 4310 with 72” mid-mount mower is great for mowing the field but is getting heavier and bigger every year for Hubby to maintain. We prefer the mowed look/feel to the brush hog trip hazard, but can’t manage the dog pen and cottage area well so a Honda walk-behind and hand-held rake do duty for that acre. The $4700 bagger long ago stopped working because the motor just didn’t stay fixed. I really miss it for fall clean up. Hubby loves the bucket to carry fallen tree limbs and barrels of fall leaves to the brush pile. Every other attachment remains untouched. Nothing is protected from the elements. The plan for building a barn got set aside somewhere between hip replacements and carpal tunnel surgeries.

The dealer suggested replacing the 4310 with a 2000 series. When we went to the showroom to look at it we decided it was jumping from the frying pan to the fire. Hubby has the idea of cutting a pass through from the garage into the shed so the next machine can be kept out of the elements, but it has got to be small enough to fit in the space, along with built-in cabinets and hanging tools.

We looked at the x790, but think even that is more machine than we need. We plan to mulch mow; pick up leaves in the fall, and transport fallen tree limbs to the brush pile. Period. Hubby prefers the walk-behind snow blower. Gardening is just one raised bed.

We looked at the x590, thinking a garden cart could replace the 4310 bucket. The trouble is twofold: Hubby hurts just sitting on the x590 because the deck requires a leg/hip spread that is painful (don’t know if the x790 would be more comfortable.), and a 54” deck for the field is too big for the around-the-house tasks. But he says he’ll suffer through if it is the best option.

I suggested we consider:
- buy a 100-series mower with 42” mulching deck and a bagger (NOT powered with a blower) for around the house and to maintain a walking path around the seven acres for daily walks with the pup;
- keep the 4310 with mid-mount 72” mower and bucket — paying the local dealer to strip the extra hydraulic lines (which always seem to leak) for the unused attachments, service the thing so it is ready for use, buy a cover to protect it somewhat, and just let the dealer service the humongous beast & deck (spring & fall?). Drag the unused accessories to the curb with “Make Me an Offer” sign so we can put “PAID” to this boondoggle.

Questions:
1. Any idea what 100-series would work?
2. Is there another tractor that would replace both? (I had hoped the x790 could be equipped with a 48” deck that would be a compromise but I guess it is not wide enough for the wheel base.)

In a perfect world we’d have one machine to do it all that could be housed in the shed.

Hoping knowledgeable people might help us make a good decision.

Thanks
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Hi Deb - I can sympathize with you as that's a fair amount of property to deal with. Unfortunately, I just don't know of a single piece of equipment that can handle both tasks efficiently.

I would however recommend avoiding the 100 series. They are just barely passable for very small, extremely flat suburban lots. They tend to have weak transaxles and frankly I'm shocked JD even puts their names on them. If you end up keeping the 4310, and decide to get something small for around the house, you'd be much better off going with a couple year old x300 series, which is a much more robust machine.

Regarding comfort, the fact is, as you age things will only get worse, so I think it's important to make sure to test drive anything in consideration for long term comfort. Ultimately, if you physically cannot not tolerate the ergo's it's not going to work out no matter what. So, I highly encourage your husband to test everything he can.
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Thank you, Mr. Magoo. This kind of advice helps a great deal. Just knowing one machine won’t do both well helps us to stop spinning our wheels looking for one.
There just doesn't seem to be a good middle ground between the two distinctly different needs you have. I happen to have a x540, which is the earlier water cooled version of the x590, with a 48" deck and I have a 1 acre lot. It's a perfect fit for my needs. However, there is no way at ~45-60 Minutes per Acre I'd want to be doing 6 acres every week. That's alot of work. Not only would that be tough on the driver, but gosh, that would be tough on the machine too.

I just don't think there is a way you can get a 48 deck on any tractor to handle the entire property efficiently, so I think if you cannot get a larger deck near the house, you will be stuck with a two tractor solution.

Hopefully Mr Beef who has more experience with the Compacts can chime in and offer his insight.

Good luck
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IMO, you will really miss the FEL if you opt to get rid of it.
So, my recommendation:
Keep the bigger machine for wide area mowing and grunt work.

You should be able to sell all the big attachments for a fair sum.

Purchase a smaller but not 'standard homeowner quality', zero turn mower. Easier to mount and dismount, at least for me as I'm also in the 70s. I purchased a new 60" Hustler a couple of seasons ago. They are available with 48, 54 and 60" decks. It's amazing how the 60 fits into tight places due to the 0 turn, pivot on its' center facility. I cut my 3 acres in just over an hour. And that's with several trees, flowers etc to avoid. That brand has a 3 yr all inclusive warranty if bought new.

More spendy than a 100 series for sure. But, much better for mowing, both from a time and quality standpoint.

Edit to add: This replaced my main mower: 455 w/60" deck. But, I kept it for the mod 40 loader. Back saver!
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Thats a tough spot to be in. I also would keep the 4310 and find a comfortable mower. I myself find a zero turn to be much more comfortable to run than a tractor mower. But they also have limitations. Try out whatever you consider buying. Also, don't put your attachments at the end of the driveway with that sort of sign, or they'll probably just be gone and fast. Rather take some pictures, research pricing a bit, and put up a craigslist ad. Best of luck, whatever you decide.
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I'd sell attachments you dont need and buy a X370- its a lot smaller than X590, can get 42 inch deck with non powered bagger. ( or mulch on demand) has power steering so its easy to drive. Plus with hydraulic lift if you ever decide to go with tractor mounted snowblower you have the capability
I have a 4410 (essentially a 4310 with a heavier clutch) and a commmercial front mower but recently bought a 4WD diesel garden tractor to be my one machine solution. One option here that might work is a smaller belly mower for around the house and then a larger brush hog or flail mower on the rear 3 point hitch for the field. A loader is also an option on the previous generation of these that were sold up until a few years ago and pretty readily available used. It is far easier to mount/unmount than the one on the 4310.

I didnt go with a SCUT because of the weight on the grass and the turning radius but still wanted to be able to get to the back of the property, move snow, etc with it.

I have always loved the 4410 and highly recommend you hang onto your 4310 until you are sure you are happy with whatever you replace it with. I'm doing the same even though I really want to get to one machine to take care of/store. Good luck.
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Trying to keep this decision based in reality because 15 years ago we succumbed to John Deere fantasy. (Mr. Beef, we watched your video series on buying a JD, so we know you understand.)

Hubby and I are in our seventies. We have seven acres we maintain here in New England. The lot is mostly field surrounded on three sides by stone walls and forest on the fourth. Two acres flat at the top slope down (three acres) to a two acre field. On the flat section up top we have a tiny cottage with foundation plantings, a one-car garage with a 12 x 10 shed attached, and a dog yard that is an eighth of an acre. The soil is poor; the grass is nothing special. In our forty years here we have done nothing more than lime the field and feed the older maples and oaks.

Fifteen years ago the neighbor who had been brush-hogging the field passed away so we traded in our little JD for a 4310 with center mower deck (72”), bucket (430 loader), hydraulic power pack bagger (S1323), 47 backhoe, post hole digger, 72” blade, and 3 PT spreader. Considering the fact that neither one of us is mechanically inclined (We don’t even change the car oil ourselves.), and we were both working jobs with long commutes, you can reasonably ask, “WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?”.

A few weeks ago our John Deere dealer came out to replace the potentiometer and we started talking. The 4310 with 72” mid-mount mower is great for mowing the field but is getting heavier and bigger every year for Hubby to maintain. We prefer the mowed look/feel to the brush hog trip hazard, but can’t manage the dog pen and cottage area well so a Honda walk-behind and hand-held rake do duty for that acre. The $4700 bagger long ago stopped working because the motor just didn’t stay fixed. I really miss it for fall clean up. Hubby loves the bucket to carry fallen tree limbs and barrels of fall leaves to the brush pile. Every other attachment remains untouched. Nothing is protected from the elements. The plan for building a barn got set aside somewhere between hip replacements and carpal tunnel surgeries.

The dealer suggested replacing the 4310 with a 2000 series. When we went to the showroom to look at it we decided it was jumping from the frying pan to the fire. Hubby has the idea of cutting a pass through from the garage into the shed so the next machine can be kept out of the elements, but it has got to be small enough to fit in the space, along with built-in cabinets and hanging tools.

We looked at the x790, but think even that is more machine than we need. We plan to mulch mow; pick up leaves in the fall, and transport fallen tree limbs to the brush pile. Period. Hubby prefers the walk-behind snow blower. Gardening is just one raised bed.

We looked at the x590, thinking a garden cart could replace the 4310 bucket. The trouble is twofold: Hubby hurts just sitting on the x590 because the deck requires a leg/hip spread that is painful (don’t know if the x790 would be more comfortable.), and a 54” deck for the field is too big for the around-the-house tasks. But he says he’ll suffer through if it is the best option.

I suggested we consider:
- buy a 100-series mower with 42” mulching deck and a bagger (NOT powered with a blower) for around the house and to maintain a walking path around the seven acres for daily walks with the pup;
- keep the 4310 with mid-mount 72” mower and bucket — paying the local dealer to strip the extra hydraulic lines (which always seem to leak) for the unused attachments, service the thing so it is ready for use, buy a cover to protect it somewhat, and just let the dealer service the humongous beast & deck (spring & fall?). Drag the unused accessories to the curb with “Make Me an Offer” sign so we can put “PAID” to this boondoggle.

Questions:
1. Any idea what 100-series would work?
2. Is there another tractor that would replace both? (I had hoped the x790 could be equipped with a 48” deck that would be a compromise but I guess it is not wide enough for the wheel base.)

In a perfect world we’d have one machine to do it all that could be housed in the shed.

Hoping knowledgeable people might help us make a good decision.

Thanks
Well think you have the Model wrong as there is No X790
I am Guessing It was a X750

Keep In Mind the X700 series You Can get a air ride seat

I ran a 48inch deck for 11 years On a X485(older version of the X730) on 5.5 acre and You can still trim with it. Don't let the dealer kid You and say You can't trim with a 48inch deck.

There is a aftermarket Loader available for the X700 series 2013 John deere x ultimate.

But that said since You not to Handy If You Just need to Move fallen tree Material from point A To Point B and not over You stone walls there Is this Innovative Tractor Attachments LLC ? Bringing great tractor ideas to life!

And here is a Bagging system that Deere/ Superior -Tech came out with https://superior-tech.com/mcs-20CNG.html You can dump it from the seat and it Mount very simply and it has a Integral storage stand for Taking it off & on the Tractor.


The X700 series Can also be equipment with a Rear PTO and a Limited Cat 1 3point Hitch.

Now since Your Husband still does Use a Loader. Did You dealer suggest a 1025R Because You Can get a 54inch deck with that and Just a Loader and the ROPS Roll Over Protection Structure does fold down and it will fit In a 1 car Garage.

Both the X700 series and the 1 series tractors(1023E/1025R) have drive over auto connect decks except for the 48inch deck On the X700 series which You still use the auto-connect to mount But You still have to roll the 48inch deck Under the Machine then drive forward and it Mounts like the drive over Auto-Connect 54inch and 60n Inch decks


I would Measure You shed Opening though to see if a 54inch will fit In there with the Mowing deck Chute Up.

The 1 series tractors(1023E/1025R) our the same width as the X700 series tractor But the 1 series is about 2 feet longer than the X700 series That way You could still have a Loader Capable tractor.

Attachments are a lot easier to mount and Dis-mount On the Modern Deere Compact tractors

With the Modern Compact tractor You Can even go with a 3 point Grooming Mower same as a Belly Mount Mower except It runs Off the Rear PTO and they do Have a 48inch Rear 3 point Mount grooming mower that with fit on the 1 series tractors(1023E/1025R) and with the New Quik-Knect
Putting and a 3point Implement is very easy.

But if You think you can do without a Loader

The Look at a X738, X739 or X758 with a air ride seat and a 48inch deck

X738 Electronic Fuel Injected Gas engine and has All Wheel Drive

X739 Electronic Fuel Injected Gas engine and has All Wheel Drive and All Wheel Steer

X758 Diesel engine and has All Wheel Drive

Hope this gives You some More Ideas for Downsizing the tractor:thThumbsU
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Sergeant, you are right, of course, we were looking at the x738 because there is no convenient source of diesel locally.

Thank you for all the suggestions and helpful links. Why did JD discontinue the loader for the x700 series? Is there a problem putting on the after-market bucket?
Thank you, all. We are cogitating, measuring, and trying to think outside the box. We are headed back to the dealer to see how Hubby feels aboard the x738 vs the zero-turn mower. It helps to hear what you knowledgeable John Deere people think and do yourselves.

According to the John Deere on-line “What Deere is right for me” program, the x738 should hold up to all the mowing — and it sounds as though Sergeant was doing 5.5 acres with a comparable mower for many years — so we guess that is a viable option if we choose to downsize.

Again, thank you all for taking time to help us make our decision.
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Thats a tough spot to be in. I also would keep the 4310 and find a comfortable mower. I myself find a zero turn to be much more comfortable to run than a tractor mower. But they also have limitations. Try out whatever you consider buying. Also, don't put your attachments at the end of the driveway with that sort of sign, or they'll probably just be gone and fast. Rather take some pictures, research pricing a bit, and put up a craigslist ad. Best of luck, whatever you decide.
I agree with "Junky", a zero turn mower would be worth looking in to.
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Sergeant, you are right, of course, we were looking at the x738 because there is no convenient source of diesel locally.

Thank you for all the suggestions and helpful links. Why did JD discontinue the loader for the x700 series? Is there a problem putting on the after-market bucket?
No there No Problem But if You decide to go that way when Your Order Your X738 Have You dealer Order and Install these 3 Parts

BW15044 TRANSAXLE HYDROSTATIC RELIEF VALVE 4WD or AWD
M146148 free-wheeling valve control lever is also required.
AM134625 Lock out Valve

The Relief Valve Protect the trans-axle from Pressure Peaks associated with using a Loader.

The Lock Out Valve diverts Hydraulic Fluid from the On Bard Hydraulic cylinder to the Hydraulic Outlets

The M146148 free-wheeling valve control lever is Needed Because of the Hydrostatic Relief Valve has Been Installed

BW15044 $161.57

AM134625 $156.26

M146148 $14.29

Reason Deere stopped a Loader for the X700 series was do to the Bean counters at Deere

Prior to the Deere 1023E/1026R, 1025R the 45 Loader had very High sales Numbers Because the Deere 2210/2305 Just did Not sell as well and the super Garden tractor. But once the 1 series was Introduced the sales Numbers really dropped Off on the 45 Loader for the 2011 year. Deere actually Intended to Make a Loader for the Signature series But It was scraped Based On sales Numbers

The CTC loader will work well On the X738, The Install Instructions a Pretty easy to follow and it easy to remove once sub frame is installed on the tractor

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Sergeant, you are right, of course, we were looking at the x738 because there is no convenient source of diesel locally.

Thank you for all the suggestions and helpful links. Why did JD discontinue the loader for the x700 series? Is there a problem putting on the after-market bucket?
Just some things to ponder. I use my Husqvarna with 50” deck to help a widow mow her 3 acre lawn and a few times per year her 3 acre field. All mowers do NOT mow the same, even if they are the same width. They vary in cut quality, speed (which translates to time cutting), comfort, ease of use (power steering, deck lift, forward - reverse motion control, turning radius, and many other things). The hydraulic deck/blower lift and drive over deck make the Deere one of the best tractors made, but I also considered a Kubota BX2380 as an alternative to a Deere X738 at less money. Glad I for what I found used, the X738.

My Husqvarna probably gives the best cut of the tractors I own or have owned. But my X738 has the most power and is the easiest to change attachments. Be sure to take measurements of any narrow places including a trailer that might be used to get it to or from the dealer. Test drive an X738 with a 54” deck. You will be amazed how short you can turn and you learn how to go forward - backward a few times to go around the smallest of trees. Even the standard seat is very comfortable. I don’t have any experience with the suspension seat.

Some have mentioned using a 3 point hitch mower for the larger area, but I would not. If you have to turn to look back, your body will likely complain a lot, especially your neck. I found out while using a friend’s tractor with a loader and back blade to clear his driveway of 16”+ of snow. Most of the work was done with the blade on the back of the tractor.

A higher horsepower tractor with a 54” deck will allow you to cut all you have in a reasonable time. Plan on about 2.5 - 3 acres per hour with trimming to within an inch or two of most anything. Leaving very little hand trimming time.

I know your husband still prefers to use a walkbehind snowblower, but once he uses something like the X738, he will likely never walk again. I too am 70 and reasonable shape. Last week I went to snowblow someone’s drive with my Ariens 8 hp 24” walkbehind. Someone else beat me to it, but coming and going passed another friend’s house (single lady 70 year old) and the long driveway hadn’t been touched so I unloaded the walkbehind from my trailer hitch mounted wheelchair carrier and cleared her drive. Of course I ran out of gas 10’ from being done and tried to pull the blower back up on the carrier, but couldn’t. I finally went home and got gas so I could drive it up onto the carrier. I was exhausted when I got home and once I was rested, I counted my blessings for a comfortable tractor seat for mowing, snowblowing, or hauling wood in my cart. I don’t have a loader, yet, but have considered one of the aftermarket ones mentioned.

Another consideration is can you do all that needs done with the equipment you have. I don’t want to hurt your feelings or your husband’s, but at our age, things happen unexpectedly and life has to go on. An alternative may be to have someone help do some of the work. That way you might be partially prepared for a time down the road. It depends on the proximity of neighbors or family, your finances, and a few other things, but might be an alternative.
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Thank you, all.

Everyone offered their best advice and their reasons for it, so it has been extremely helpful in evaluating what is most pressing for us. It really helps that seniors guided us past pitfalls.

What we have decided: We think the x738 will be our best option but won’t be positive until after Hubby’s second hip surgery. He tried it on for size and though the seat was very comfortable the deck positioned his legs such that it was uncomfortable. The zero turn mower was very easy to climb aboard and would be the easiest to use but we think RT 3360 is right, though a walk-behind snow blower is better for our set up right now, it is getting increasingly difficult to use. A John Deere snow blower is a likely attachment we’ll need. Sergeant, we have your additional parts noted so we can request the necessary bells and whistles at ordering time. In the meantime, we’re taking advantage of the winter special our “local” dealer is offering; the 4310 with loader and mid-mount mower is in the shop for 65 point inspection and full maintenance/service to get her ready for duty in the coming season.

We feel a whole lot better about our decision making after talking with so many experts.

Once again, many thanks.
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Just make sure that what ever you get is easy to get on and off, and is comfortable once on.
I have an older machine that is going come spring because it's so hard for me to get one.
For me, having a nearly flat "floor" between the seat and wheel and plenty of room there (tilt wheel) is important, as is the climb up.

I'm thinking Simplicity Legacy, mainly for the flat floor.
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Thank you, all. We are cogitating, measuring, and trying to think outside the box. We are headed back to the dealer to see how Hubby feels aboard the x738 vs the zero-turn mower. It helps to hear what you knowledgeable John Deere people think and do yourselves.

According to the John Deere on-line “What Deere is right for me” program, the x738 should hold up to all the mowing — and it sounds as though Sergeant was doing 5.5 acres with a comparable mower for many years — so we guess that is a viable option if we choose to downsize.

Again, thank you all for taking time to help us make our decision.
Might help to know where you live. Here’s a link to an X739 (4 wheel steer version of an X738) with a lot of the things you might need and some comfort things as well. 2017 John Deere X739 Riding Mower For Sale » Alanson, Williamsburg, Hillman, Michigan

Very few hours. For reference, it was traded in for $16,000. Here’s the reason it was traded in.
https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-john-deere-forum/1314889-dumping-x739.html
Some valid things, but I don’t find them as objectionable.
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We are in New England. Michigan is out of our ballpark:tango_face_smile: But thank you for thinking of us.

You know, we haven’t even looked at other tractors. I guess we should. Simplicity Legacy? I’ll have Hubby climb around one and get a feel for it — if we can get the car to drive to a non-John Deere dealer. :tango_face_smile_bi
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If you are looking for a more upright operating position like the 4310, you might also look at something like this:

https://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machines/6733456

Still 4WD, can mount a snowblower, etc. There are gas versions as well.
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