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Ok guys I was wondering if these >1000# GT's with JD's accessory's were not the inspiration for the now 'subcompact' tractors.

The reason I ask is they are obviously over built for lawn mowing and have frames meant for 'ground engagement' and loader, blade, three point attachment for box blades etc

Are there still ''GT" garden tractors or is the subcompact class = GT.

Just thinking wondering.:thanku:

Yamadoo

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I'm getting the popcorn ready! This is going to be a good one.

The lines between these super GTs and SCUTs is indeed fine. To add a model or two to your mix, you could throw in the MTD 990, Sears FF series, Simplicity Sunstars, the big Ingersolls, etc.

A couple of modern GTs I have trouble calling GTs would include the JD x700 series, and the Simplicity Legacy XL. 4WD, cat-1 3PH, 540 RPM rear PTO, ground engaging, FEL and backhoe capable. Doesn't sound much like a riding lawnmower to me does it? I think county ordinances and HOA regulations are largely why these modern super GTs are marketed as GTs. Built for areas which would not allow a utility or agricultural tractor perhaps.

As for the older super-GTs I believe they were targeted to commercial operators. Back before the zero turn dominated the commercial mowing market.
 

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Even when I go look at them in the dealer today I have a hard time justifying the 1000 series which I perceive to be a "tractor" to the x7xx series which I still see as a Garden Tractor!
 

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Even when I go look at them in the dealer today I have a hard time justifying the 1000 series which I perceive to be a "tractor" to the x7xx series which I still see as a Garden Tractor!
What bugs me about the 1000 series versus the x700 is that the 1024 works out to cost very little more than an x748.
 

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Yeah, now days GTs are looking more and more like SCUTs to me. Still, the x7 series seems more like a GT, because it doesn't offer the same amount of features the new 1000 series. Roll bar, much larger, and more tractor like if you ask me. I guess you could consider the x500 series garden tractors. Liquid cooling and power steering are a bit more GT like than lawn tractor.

The 420/430s are more like the old version of the SCUTs tractors if your askin me.
 

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I too think the 420 / 430's were the SCUTS of the 80-90's.

I was thinking of this ? driving the 420 with a loader bucket full of firewood through the snow and thinking of how handy these little 'tractors' are and how truly heavy duty they are.

I get a little bothered when others think of my TRACTOR as a lawn mower lol.
I supose there is a therapy or pill for that.

My neighbor with an X748 has borrowed the old 420 with 44 loader and he liked it.

Yamadoo
 

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I think a lot of this debate has to do with design, rather than capabilities. I know my 430 has the capability of many SCUTs, but the basic design of it is more similar to, (and I almost cringe just saying it), a "lawn mower" rather than a agricultural tractor. The lower ground clearance and wider stance, along with the tire profiles are for Garden Tractors. I know many of the modern SCUTs are blurring these lines because of customer needs but the differences are still there. Adam
 

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I've seen on a JD site a (then) current 2305 dressed up in JD Commercial Yellow. With a FEL and Backhoe that seemed like standard dress. Not the 110 though, smaller. Would be great for close-in work, sidewalks, foundations, congested street work that sort of thing. I thought it looked interesting.
 

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I think a lot of this debate has to do with design, rather than capabilities. I know my 430 has the capability of many SCUTs, but the basic design of it is more similar to, (and I almost cringe just saying it), a "lawn mower" rather than a agricultural tractor. The lower ground clearance and wider stance, along with the tire profiles are for Garden Tractors. I know many of the modern SCUTs are blurring these lines because of customer needs but the differences are still there. Adam
Yup, the 430/420s are more riding mower like than, lets say a 1026 SCUT.
 
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