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Sleep Apnea and CPAP machines

Any one on MTF have any tips on getting use to using a CPAP and wearing a mask at night?

Just got a CPAP machine a week ago and having a real hard time getting use to the pressure in the mask and in my nose and mouth.
Base pressure set to 7 cm H20 up to max of 20 cm H20 when needed.

The 7 seems too high to me. Starts out at 4 then ramps up to 7 over a 5 min period.
I seem to be able to handle the 4, but the 7 seems to be too much pressure to me. Makes my breathing rate speed up it seems to me.
I can only go an hour or so before I need to shut it down and take a break.

Do I need to go back to the Dr. and see if they will lower it? Or does a person get use to it in time?

Anyone else need that high of a pressure when you sleep?

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Going to bed now but sure I will be up in an hour or 2.

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Re: Sleep Apnea and CPAP machines

Did you do a sleep test? With mine the CPAP provider preset it to sleep test recommendations. You may want to discuss settings with your doctor or equipment provider. Yes it will take some getting use to. Being tethered to a hose and leaking mask can be a pain in the butt. If your mask is leaking get it fixed. Hope you get the problem corrected.
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Yes did a sleep test. Dr gave orders for the settings. Mask is new and I have it tightened. Not leaking. Mask leak test shows a good seal.

But always feel like I can not get a good deep breath. That is why I am thinking the pressure is too high.
I can only put up with it for so long and I end up panicking taking mask off to get relief.

One would think with a good supply of air being forced to your nose and mouth it would not be a problem to take a deep breath. But it sure is for me.

Thanks for the reply. What is your normal pressure setting?

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Re: Sleep Apnea and CPAP machines

Its set at 6. My mask only covers my nose. I use to get air release when opening my mouth but it doesn't happen and more. Been on it for 2 years. I have never tried a full mask. Maybe you need a chin strap if you are sleeping with your mouth open. I could see where that could be a problem.


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Re: Sleep Apnea and CPAP machines

If your doctor recommended the settings then give it a chance first, there is definitely a "getting adjusted to" period, I adapted quickly but my wife didn't. I have been on a ResMed AirSense 10 CPAP machine w/ AirFit P10 nose pillows for almost 3 years and pressure also starts @ 4 then ramps to 7. I was a lot more comfortable using nose pillows rather than any mask but they started irritating unless I lightly lubricated them with lip balm so recently started using a new Philip's Respironics Dream Wear system which has a slit instead of pillows. The air hose now sits on top of my head rather than at my face like the P10 did so I don't fight the hose as often when turning to my side. The jury is still out on that gizmo because it seams more constricting and I may go back to the pillows. My wife only recently started using a different brand BiPAP machine and it ramps up to 15 iirc, she also wears a chin strap where I did not require one. I suggest just to give it a little more time before contacting your doctor and you also may want to talk to your sleep center techs to discuss other tips to help you settle in. Just a thought, good luck.

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Been using one for a couple years, did a "take the test, sweetie" and now my sweetie has one.

If it ain't working, tell your doctor. He/she wants you to use it because...it could save your life.

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I'm on my second machine. I had my first one for 10 years before it crapped out. The new ones are much nicer. I use nose pillows and a chinstrap to keep my mouth closed. It took a while to get used to the first one but now I don't even take a nap without it. I find I feel more rested and can even think clearer.
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At first I had a problem too. 5 minutes is not enough ramp time. You are still falling asleep. It helped when I increased the ramp time to 15 minutes.

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Re: Sleep Apnea and CPAP machines

20 seems really high. I'm about 8. I've learned how to program my machines (several over about 10 years) and adjust them until they seem right. I can feel when I'm exhaling against about the right pressure. I also don't ramp up. I take a shower right before going to bed and my heart and breathing rate is up a bit when I climb into bed. The ramp program leaves me slightly and irritatingly gasping for air until I've acclimated to laying down. I use a nosepiece mask but use a full face mask when I have a cold and my nose is restricted.


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Meant to pop in here first thing this morning. Clothes dryer was squealing after breakfast and I spent the day taking that all apart and lubeing bearings. It made it 2 loads then failed again with a burning rubber smell. Time for a new dryer.

I am using a ResMed AirSense 10 Autoset CPAP machine. If I understand it, the autoset means it is suppose to sense your breathing pattern and match to it. To me it seems to be trying to increase my breathing rate. Takes a long time for me to fall asleep.

At first I tried a nasal pillow mask that fits under your nose. Headset had 2 pillows that bumped up against my nostrils. Had 2 tubes that ran up the sides of my face and the hose connection was on top of my head.(That was a plus) Had straps that connected to the 2 tubes, went around the back of my head, and held it in place.

With that on when I needed a deep breath I could not seem to get enough air through my nose, I'd open my mouth to breath in and the air pressure would rush out. Did not allow me to breath in through my mouth at all. Could only take about 15 to 20 min of fighting that, then I'd panic and rip the headset off.

So I switched over to a mask that covers nose and mouth, with hose connection out the front of the mask.
If I feel the need to breath deep I can breath in through my mouth. But still always feel like I can not get a good deep breath when the pressure is on. Then I panic and take the mask off.
Clostriphobia sets in and I fear putting the mask back on.

Also what I am running into now is I show about 17 - 20 events an hour.
Each event calls for the air pressure to go up. When the air pressure goes up, I wake up. So I wake up every 2 or 3 minutes. After awhile of that, I pack it in and take the mask off, usually after having it on for only an hour or less. Maybe I get it back on when I wake up later and make another go of it.
Once I kept it on for an hour and 45 min, during a nap in the day time. Otherwise an hour is about all I can take.

Not sure how a person gets any sleep if the machine wakes them up every 2 to 3 min.

As far as the sleep center Dr. I left 2 msg last week, just to see what he had to say. No call back.
Tech at the medical equipment place keeps telling me "You will get use to it". But how?
Maybe I will but seems impossible at this point.

Thebeerman: Thanks for the reply

Dad0850: I am increasing ramp up time to 20 min. See if that lets me get into a deeper sleep before the higher pressure starts.

Grandpajay : Between 20 and 30 events per hour they refer to as medium level.
I sit quietly for a few min before putting the mask on. Let my breathing rate come down a bit.

Still having to sleep in the recliner. If I try laying down my nose stuffs up which adds to the problem.
I go to bed with my wife, then get up in an hour or so and go out to the chair.

Thanks for all the responses. Seems some people do get use to it. Maybe there is hope for me to get use to it too.

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Murray, Noma Model: 633124X8, 12hp Tecumseh OHSK120, 33", 1997, Walk behind snow blower.
MTD Snowblower Model: 317E150-129, 139cc / 21”, 1996 My “Power Shovel”.

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Re: Sleep Apnea and CPAP machines

Great string.

I also have a CPAP that I'm "trying to use.
Not much success yet. So far only tried test breathing.

One thing I noticed was I felt like I was bloated when I had it on. I kept belching air for a couple hours after taking it off.
If this normal?
And no, I haven't done a sleep test, the only way I'd ever be able to sleep with someone watching is if they drugged me and put me out.

And yes, my nose also plugs up, the down nostril depending on what side I'm laying on. Takes any where from 30 minutes to 1 1/2 hrs.

So I also spend a lot of time sleeping in the "chair" (recliner)
And I've been wearing Nose Strips for over 30 years, no breathing w/o them.

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Still having to sleep in the recliner. If I try laying down my nose stuffs up which adds to the problem.
I go to bed with my wife, then get up in an hour or so and go out to the chair.

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Great string.

One thing I noticed was I felt like I was bloated when I had it on. I kept belching air for a couple hours after taking it off.
If this normal?
And no, I haven't done a sleep test, the only way I'd ever be able to sleep with someone watching is if they drugged me and put me out.

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Well I did not last too long in bed tonight. Head stuffed up as soon as I laid down.

Bloating is swallowing air. Read about it here. https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-c...ap-gas-3015008

Camera on me while I slept did not bother me. Got there tired. Took 45 min. to get all the sensors hooked up. I laid down, fiddled with the sensors in my nose for a bit, and went right to sleep.

That is what I thought getting on a CPAP was going to be like. Fiddle with it a little, then fall asleep and sleep all night. Wake up and feel great. Boy was I in for a rude awakening.

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Murray, Noma Model: 633124X8, 12hp Tecumseh OHSK120, 33", 1997, Walk behind snow blower.
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Didn't even make an hour last night.
Got sleepy, got all settled in, mask was working. I thought all was well. And fell asleep right away. Then panic hit me, woke up and I had to take the mask off.
Glanced at the clock and thought I had made it 2 hours. Checked the machine this morning and it was only 7 minutes. Clock must have been at 12 o something and I saw 2 o something.

I don't get how people get use to a CPAP and mask, I really don't.

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Craftsman, Model: 842.242560, 46” Snowblower attachment. Heavy and noisy.
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Murray LT Model: 425618x48B, 18hp B&S, 42" deck, 2004, Hydro trany., foot control. My Mower
Murray RER, Model 30550H, 1999, 10 hp Tecumseh, 30” cut, single blade. My trimmer.
Murray, Noma Model: 633124X8, 12hp Tecumseh OHSK120, 33", 1997, Walk behind snow blower.
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I've been using one for about 7 years. I use a ResMed S9 with the nasal pillows and the max pressure set for 12. My Blood oxygen level was dropping to about 70% when I wasn't using it so figuring it out was a matter of life or death.
I can't speak for how your mask and machine work but on my machine, it provides constant positive pressure and if I am not breathing it vents through the tube just before the nasal pillow. The key is that you breathe only through your nose. When I picked up my machine, they determined the type of mask they gave you based on the pressure the machine was set to. My recollection was that the cut off for a nasal pillow was about 14-15. Anything above that required a full-face mask. From the descriptions of the problems above it sure sounds like the issues are mask related.
I hope you can figure this out. 10 years ago, I ignored the results of a sleep study and three years later I had a stroke. I also watched my Mom suffer the last year she was around from CHF which was the result of many decades of ignoring sleep apnea.

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I am having a hard time with max pressure to ramp up to 7. Can not imagine if it was set to 12. You are a better man than I wheely_boy.
Did not even try CPAP mask last night. Just the thought of putting it on got me all on edge.

Calling sleep Dr. today to see if they can help or have any ideas. Support from them has been little to none so far.
Just got a letter from them this Saturday informing me I have sleep apnea and need to get a CPAP machine. Seems they are a little late to me.
That did not give me much confidence in the Dr. or the organization.

I am going to push them hard today. See if I can get in to see them or at least do a phone call to talk about it today.
I know I need this to work. Life can not go on the way it has so far.

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Craftsman, Model: 842.242560, 46” Snowblower attachment. Heavy and noisy.
Craftsman, Model: 917.249740, 3 bin, Hard side Bagger.
Murray LT Model: 425618x48B, 18hp B&S, 42" deck, 2004, Hydro trany., foot control. My Mower
Murray RER, Model 30550H, 1999, 10 hp Tecumseh, 30” cut, single blade. My trimmer.
Murray, Noma Model: 633124X8, 12hp Tecumseh OHSK120, 33", 1997, Walk behind snow blower.
MTD Snowblower Model: 317E150-129, 139cc / 21”, 1996 My “Power Shovel”.
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