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Thank you. Things are sure looking up lately.

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Good to hear things are finally going well.
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Good to hear you're doing so well with it.

A piece of advice: my pulmonologist says that the machines "get tired" after about 5 years. So you might want to check the age of anything you're buying.

(Actually I was thinking of this very kind of thing for our trailer. It's a PITA to have to lug everything back and forth, plus all the setup...)

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Life is good. 6 months and 1 day on CPAP and BiPAP treatment. Thanks for asking.

Was having a hard time going back to bed and the mask when I woke to pee after 4:00AM. Just did not want to go though the hassle of of the mask. And I also tended to lay awake for a long time, 30 to 45 min., when I tried it. Usually slept in recliner w/o the mask instead of going back to bed.

Been talking myself into going back to bed every night, and ignoring the siren call of the recliner for the past 3 weeks or so. Convinced myself I needed to.

Once I found I really could do it, get back to bed quick, and fall back to sleep pretty quickly, with in 5 min, it was easier after that.
Usually only up for 10 to 12 min. AHI has been running under 3.00. And I am getting 7 to 8 hours sleep with the mask instead of 5 to 6. Couple of times I slept 9 hours and AHI was under 1. Also notice my IPAP high pressure is running around 22 or 23 when needed. Not going up to 25 anymore. Must mean something good.

Still have a day once in awhile where I feel tired by lunch time, and still do not have as much energy as I use to. But still getting so much more accomplished in a day than I was before BiPAP.

Going to bed at night is much easier than it was. Mask is almost a comfort. I know I will sleep, and wife and I have found a way to be comfortable and be able to touch each other as we fall asleep. I actually look forward to going to bed at night, not dread it as I was doing.

Started to worry about something breaking and not being able to do BiPAP treatment at night. So I also figured out what the insurance company will pay for and how often. Now I have a spare mask, head gear, chin strap, humidify tank, hose swivel and hose. Already used the head gear and chin strap. Still watching Craig's list for another whole machine to buy.

This month I am ordering a new heated hose (Although cold weather is almost over), another mask cushion, head gear, spare Power Supply for the BiPAP machine, and a Chin strap. Chin strap wears out quick where the Velcro attaches. I figure this way if something breaks or wears out I have one to replace with, then order another one for stock. Have worked so hard to get where I am I do not want any set backs. Not sure one or two nights without the mask would set me back much, but don't want to risk it.

All smiles at this end.

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Sleeping with my wife while wearing the CPAP machine was an "adventure" for me. She works over night 4 nights a week, and is only home for 3 nights each week. I would lay down and almost be asleep when she would ask, "What is that noise? Why does it do that? Will I have to listen to that all night?" I would remove the mask and answer her questions and then remount the mask and try to get back to sleep again. I'd be almost asleep again when she would ask me, "Are you okay sleeping with that thing? Does it hurt? What happens if it stops?" We did this for the first couple of months, maybe one or two nights each week until she finally got used to me being connected to a hose, with a mask that occasionally burps or hisses if I move around. It was an adjustment for her too.

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I've had a CPAP machine for over 25 years and I love it. I found the hardest thing to get used to was the mask. I have tried several and I like the "nose pillow" ones the best. They don't leave marks on your face like you've just been hung lol. Also I never use the "ramp setting". Your pressures are determined by your physical condition, so everyone has a different pressure requirement. I get notices from my supply place wanting me to buy a new one so I file that under garbage. It's all about the money. If it works, keep it I say. Under our health care program here in Canada, I can get a new machine & mask every 5 years I just have to pay $500.00. Over the 25+ years I have bought another one as a spare but the first one still works fine. Also I think those "SoClean" things they advertise on T.V. are a rip-off. I clean my mask and hose maybe once a year, of course I don't use the humidity attachment which would probably allow mold and such to grow? I do clean the air intake filter often. The only problem I have is when the power goes out.

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Little update.
Has been 9 month on CPAP/BiPAP. 8 months with the BiPAP. Seem to be use to it now. AHI was 1.66 this morning, but only 6 & a half hours sleep. But at least it was good sleep. Took about a month to get use to the BiPAP and mask. But after that was getting 5 to 7 hours each night with the mask on.

Have even gotten to a point where I can have the mask on with some nasal congestion. Before I couldn't have any congestion at all or I panicked not being able to breath through my nose. I still use the nasal mist in my nose each time I go to bed, but if some does not clear, have learned to stay with it and my nasal passages will clear up with the mask on, or I just fall asleep while waiting for it to clear. For me that was a big hurtle to get over.

Did have a 9 day period awhile back where AHI was under 1 each night. Then I had some surgery for my droopy eye lids, and AHI started running up around 10 for a few days. Was not suppose to lift more than 20 lbs, or let my head go below my waist. Must not have been careful enough. One stitch tore out after 5 days, and I had to go back in and have it repaired. AHI went up to 12 or 15 for a couple nights. Slowly came back down over a few days.

1st surgery Dr told me to sleep in the recliner w/o the mask for a couple of nights. I tried it the first night and found that was a big mistake. Had a really rough night w/o the mask, even with pain killers. Slept in bed with head raised on extra pillows after that. Usually sleep until 5:30 or so, but if I do get up earlier, I make it back to bed and the mask in 10 min or so. Then sleep until 7:30 or 8:00. Would make it back to bed sooner if the dog did not have to go out when I get up. She never wakes me up to go out, but if I get up early, she has to go out on the trot line.

I have found sleeping each night is different. No 2 nights are alike. Apnea events vary, some times clustered, some times spread out over the whole night. Mask leaks vary, some nights leaks off and on all night long, some nights not at all. Periods of good sleep vary. Dream some nights, others not. One would think things would settle into a routine, but not true for me so far.

Over all feel pretty good these days, but still not back to energy level I had before. Get some things done each day, but need a lot of breaks. So far behind this spring.
But mainly because of the surgeries and having to clean out my fathers house and get it ready to sell. That is a whole'nother story.

The other day I was looking back over my sleep history and reading some of the things I wrote each morning. Some of it made me shudder remembering it all. Found the first morning I made a whole hour sleeping with the mask on. It was a big deal at the time. Then can see where little by little I made it longer and longer and got past one stumbling block after another.

If I can brag a bit, I am awful proud of myself. Given the living H E Double toothpicks I went through before the BiPAP machine, and even more so how terrible, and terrifying it was for me for the first couple months of treatment. I am still surprised I stuck with it and made it to this point.
Also surprised at how many people I have run into now that use CPAP and tell me they had little problem getting use to wearing the mask. They have no idea how lucky they are to not have had a problem with it.

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Murray LT Model: 425618x48B, 18hp B&S, 42" deck, 2004, Hydro trany., foot control. My Mower
Murray RER, Model 30550H, 1999, 10 hp Tecumseh, 30” cut, single blade. My trimmer.
Murray, Noma Model: 633124X8, 12hp Tecumseh OHSK120, 33", 1997, Walk behind snow blower.
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Hey JP, you mention that you don't have the energy you used to. Are you comparing your energy level now to back when you were a younger guy? or comparing it to say 2 weeks before you started using the machine at night? I ask, because I don't have the energy I had when I was 30 (am 63 now) but I have a lot more energy than I did just prior to starting with the CPAP. I was literally falling asleep at my desk almost every day. I felt like a zombie most of the time. My sleep study showed I was waking up 17 times an hour at night. I wish I felt like I did when I was 30, but I'll take what I have now compared to before using the CPAP machine.

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Glad to read all these notes. I started a sleep study (at home) last night and will finish tonight, but it's a pretty done deal I'll be on a cpap.
Did find some helpful info on the mayoclinic website (not looking forward to wearing/using the cpap, even though I've read they're a lot better than the first one I saw, rooming with a buddy at a conference and he had one (right after 9/11).
IF anyone needs suggestions on starting out w/ the cpap, here's the title, and it's on mayoclinic's site: CPAP machines: Tips for avoiding 10 common problems

Thanks for all the posts and info!
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Hey JP, you mention that you don't have the energy you used to. Are you comparing your energy level now to back when you were a younger guy? or comparing it to say 2 weeks before you started using the machine at night? I ask, because I don't have the energy I had when I was 30 (am 63 now) but I have a lot more energy than I did just prior to starting with the CPAP. I was literally falling asleep at my desk almost every day. I felt like a zombie most of the time. My sleep study showed I was waking up 17 times an hour at night. I wish I felt like I did when I was 30, but I'll take what I have now compared to before using the CPAP machine.
Nope not comparing to when I was 30. But I too wish I was still that active.

Thinking of just a couple years ago before sleep apnea kicked my behind. Winter, Spring, and Summer of last year I was falling asleep 5 or 6 times a day until Oct when I started with the machine and mask. You got me to try it while awake and sitting at my desk and it helped right away. Even just wearing it while awake and not sleeping to get use to it.

Summer before (2017) I was going great and keeping up with the outside workload. Wishing I could get back to that level of energy.

I am so far behind this year. Got the tractors out. Mowed the lawn twice. But still not changed oil, greased anything or sharpened any blades.
It is mid June and I just planted my Squash plants today. Will finish up the Bird House gourds, runner beans, and Pepper plants tomorrow. Baby Chipmunks are already out of the nest, and I have not gotten my above ground pond uncovered yet, let alone filled, and plants moved from the wintering pond. Tree frogs that breed in there will not be happy with me this year!

Not planting any flower beds this year. Just not enough time.
I need too many breaks during the day to get any work done. Feel like my get up and go do done got up and went.

Not complaining too much. Life is so much better than the months before CPAP.
Have read it may take a year or longer of being on treatment before some people get back to normal. Letting sleep apnea go on too long, as I did, really knocks the stuffing out of you. Maybe next summer will go better than this one.

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Glad to read all these notes. I started a sleep study (at home) last night and will finish tonight, but it's a pretty done deal I'll be on a cpap.
Did find some helpful info on the mayoclinic website (not looking forward to wearing/using the cpap, even though I've read they're a lot better than the first one I saw, rooming with a buddy at a conference and he had one (right after 9/11).
IF anyone needs suggestions on starting out w/ the cpap, here's the title, and it's on mayoclinic's site: CPAP machines: Tips for avoiding 10 common problems

Thanks for all the posts and info!
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Welcome to the club. Hope all goes well for you. Hope you just slap the mask on and sleep OK the first night. Or at least the second night.
Get your Dr to write a very specific prescription so the evil medical supply company does not give you a bottom of the line machine and charge the insurance company for a top of the line machine. Get one with a humidifier, and a heated hose. Even if you do not think you will use it. Ask the Dr to write that in the prescription. Any questions before you get a machine just ask in this thread.

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Craftsman, Model: 842.242560, 46” Snowblower attachment. Heavy and noisy.
Craftsman, Model: 917.249740, 3 bin, Hard side Bagger.
Murray LT Model: 425618x48B, 18hp B&S, 42" deck, 2004, Hydro trany., foot control. My Mower
Murray RER, Model 30550H, 1999, 10 hp Tecumseh, 30” cut, single blade. My trimmer.
Murray, Noma Model: 633124X8, 12hp Tecumseh OHSK120, 33", 1997, Walk behind snow blower.
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Hi JP. I'll share my non-expert opinion on how my sleep apnea has affected my life. Again, I stress that this is a non-expert opinion. The 4 or 5 years I ignored the sleep apnea and was part of the walking dead, I was not physically active at all because I was too tired all the time. So I lost strength and flexibility pretty much all over my body. Throw in my 4th surgery on my left leg and a separate hernia repair operation, and I became a semi-professional couch potato, and I gained too much weight. I am also dealing with COPD, so anything more strenuous than walking to my truck in the driveway (about 75 feet) and I have to stop and catch my breath. Doc says I need to exercise more, and she is absolutely right, but any attempt at 1 minute of mild exercise ends with me gasping like a dying man for 15 minutes. That makes it hard to find the motivation to walk, ride a stationary bike, or even climb stairs. I know that toned up muscles and a lower body weight will run more efficiently and improve my condition, I just have to figure out a way to achieve that without killing myself.

My point being that you too may have lost some strength, endurance and flexibility while you were a member of the sleep deprived Zombie class. Run it by your doc if he/she thinks and exercise program will help you gain more energy.

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That could be true. Went about a year with bad sleep apnea before I went into the Dr. to see what the problem was. No idea when it first started. Think it was probably a year before that.

Really thought the tiredness and falling asleep at my desk was from getting up 6 or 7 times a night to pee. Would fall asleep for short naps several times a day, and in the evening. My wife finally convinced me to go see a Dr. with her form of gentle persuasion. She knows if she pushes hard, I'll dig my heels in and never do it. I hate going to the Dr.

During that period I was not too active. So body not getting the exercise it needed to keep things in working order. Also gained a lot of weight. Now that I am moving around again, and paying attention to how much I eat, weight is slowly coming off. Had to move to next smaller notch on my belt this week. Also found I can once again get into the older one size smaller waist jeans I had to stop wearing.

Seems it took until 3:00 or 4:00 PM each day before I got out and got stuff done outside, in the shop, or in the house. Then again for an hour or 2 after supper. Now I get 6 or 7 hours sleep each night and no longer nap. Probably energy level will come up and get better each day if I keep at getting out and working.

Finally got the last of my gardens planted yesterday. June 19 and just finishing up. Some stuff may not have a long enough growing season. But better than none at all.

Now on to bigger and better things. Like getting the spring maintenance done on the tractors, and other equipment.
At least now if I lay down on the concrete to take the blades off, or grease some fittings, I no longer fall asleep for a 1/2 hour to an hour with out realizing it until I look at my watch and wonder where the time went.

I have also realized I have so many things to do I can not seem to keep at one thing until done. My shop is full of stuff I brought home from cleaning out my Dad's place. I keep working on smaller tasks and getting those done, and stuff put away, before I go back to the main task at hand. So I find I am getting a lot done each day, just not the main task I start out at. When I stop to think about all I have accomplished the last couple months, I find I am really getting more done each day than I thought I was. And I am now seeing more free space in my shop.

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Craftsman, Model: 842.242560, 46” Snowblower attachment. Heavy and noisy.
Craftsman, Model: 917.249740, 3 bin, Hard side Bagger.
Murray LT Model: 425618x48B, 18hp B&S, 42" deck, 2004, Hydro trany., foot control. My Mower
Murray RER, Model 30550H, 1999, 10 hp Tecumseh, 30” cut, single blade. My trimmer.
Murray, Noma Model: 633124X8, 12hp Tecumseh OHSK120, 33", 1997, Walk behind snow blower.
MTD Snowblower Model: 317E150-129, 139cc / 21”, 1996 My “Power Shovel”.
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