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Always good to hear opinions and conjecture. I am confident the front of the garage has a double wide opening for vehicles, and to the left of it, a single wide pedestrian door.
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And, to answer a question, I cannot see inside any of the living area to determine if there is a finished floor.
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Put a Go Pro on Scout and tell him to do some reconnaissance. My wife is retiring the middle of March. She asked me if I wanted to go on a drive somewhere. I said "How about Pa to look at a house?" She said no..

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Put a Go Pro on Scout and tell him to do some reconnaissance. My wife is retiring the middle of March. She asked me if I wanted to go on a drive somewhere. I said "How about Pa to look at a house?" She said no..
If she changes her mind, I can put you up walking distance from this place. Maybe catch "Falling Waters" on the same trip.

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I think she has something warmer in mind. We have been to Falling Waters. I can't tell you exactly when, but I know our kids were small. Our kids now have kids 9 and 12 years old. So it's been a while. Maybe all the water has fallen out by now

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Jere, every time I go see my brother he wants to take us to Longwood Gardens. He and his wife go for walks there. Christmas time its beautiful. You ever see those tree houses?

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I think she has something warmer in mind. We have been to Falling Waters. I can't tell you exactly when, but I know our kids were small. Our kids now have kids 9 and 12 years old. So it's been a while. Maybe all the water has fallen out by now
Hhmmnnn, I kinda gather you mean a different Falling Waters. But there is a warmer one near where I live.

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Always good to hear opinions and conjecture. I am confident the front of the garage has a double wide opening for vehicles, and to the left of it, a single wide pedestrian door. This afternoon I stuck my head and camera through the slot for the overhead door and snapped two pictures. First to the left:



You can see the haunches on the left wall, the stone fill that was scooped in before the modules were set above, and the underside of the floor of the modules. That floor seems to me to be temporary, constructed of overlapping sheets of plywood on an inadequate floor joist system. I'd bet it will be removed at some point for a floor pour in there.

And, to the right, much the same, but with a view of the poured column which has some 2x bracing up to the floor which I believe is temporary.




Weather forecast for snow again Wednesday, not sure what they might be working on. And, to answer a question, I cannot see inside any of the living area to determine if there is a finished floor. But, I believe there is based on the website of the module manufacturer.

All for today, thanks for following my research project

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I agree totally on the inadequate floor joisting and plywood being overlapped.


My guess is possible work area to finish out interior trim, etc. Keep the crew working in bad weather, materials dry, etc.


Still baffled at the garage floor system, why not fill it with sand, tamped at 12" lifts and pour the floor. Column is mystifying!


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Jere, every time I go see my brother he wants to take us to Longwood Gardens. He and his wife go for walks there. Christmas time its beautiful. You ever see those tree houses?
Get there regularly. Wife and I are members, and my Grandson loves the place. I enjoy the Christmas show, but like the summer shows better. The fountains are just spectacular and the synchronized concerts and a blanket on the lawn in the warm weather is a grand evening.

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Given that 2 walls have studs rather than concrete, I would say the concrete isn't going to be resting on the ground (hence the support), but then all the extra material in there doesn't make sense...
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Given that 2 walls have studs rather than concrete, I would say the concrete isn't going to be resting on the ground (hence the support), but then all the extra material in there doesn't make sense...

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It is puzzling, the haunches and the center column appear to be on the same level, and then the studded wall brings in another element.

I was thinking a beam across the center column and precast riding on that and then pour a cap on the precast but the elevations don't seem to work out.

Well, I guess we will know soon enough, "As Jere's World Turns"

We did a lake side house years ago that we set forms, poured the concrete wall and filled with sand, tamping it about every foot or so with a vibratory plate compactor. The owner was a friend and was offered a price he couldn't refuse so we don't know how the garage floor held up. We errored on the side of overkill so I'm sure it is fine.


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The circular pier is on the side with no haunches, so that makes sense. They will continue to back fill up to the top of elevation of the pier and haunches with crushed stone material which they can tamp with a compactor. They should do a compaction test on the floor sub grade before pouring concrete garage floor. There looks like no way to set a precast concrete slab for a garage floor.

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The circular pier is on the side with no haunches, so that makes sense. They will continue to back fill up to the top of elevation of the pier and haunches with crushed stone material which they can tamp with a compactor. They should do a compaction test on the floor sub grade before pouring concrete garage floor. There looks like no way to set a precast concrete slab for a garage floor.
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So, if they fill and compact, why have a center column?

Why have the haunches, shouldn't the fill support the concrete garage floor?

Why are there haunches only on half of the garage foundation walls.

Is that best practice to place fill against steel studs and Styrofoam? I know Styrofoam is used on exterior walls for insulation and I have also seen how it preforms after years of settling.

The loose fill baffles me.

I may be missing something here that will come together as progress continues.

I do agree that setting precast would have been much more sensible prior to setting walls/roof system, IMO.

Very interesting build going on here, I'm sure the builders gasp when balloon framing lost it's way to two story framing.

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So, if they fill and compact, why have a center column?

Why are there haunches only on half of the garage foundation walls.

Is that best practice to place fill against steel studs and Styrofoam? I know Styrofoam is used on exterior walls for insulation and I have also seen how it preforms after years of settling.

The loose fill baffles me.

I may be missing something here that will come together as progress continues.

I do agree that setting precast would have been much more sensible prior to setting walls/roof system, IMO.

Very interesting build going on here, I'm sure the builders gasp when balloon framing lost it's way to two story framing.

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Q. So, if they fill and compact, why have a center column?
A. My guess is there's no haunches on that side to support the concrete floor.

Q. Why are there haunches only on half of the garage foundation walls.
A. Because the other side there's no concrete wall for a haunch.

Q. Is that best practice to place fill against steel studs and Styrofoam? I know Styrofoam is used on exterior walls for insulation and I have also seen how it preforms after years of settling.
A. Who knows?

Q. The loose fill baffles me.
A. They got to fill void in with something.

Q. I may be missing something here that will come together as progress continues.
A. I agree!!

Q. I do agree that setting precast would have been much more sensible prior to setting walls/roof system, IMO.
A. I agree it would. They can still maybe set a precast when they build up the grade in front of the garage with a special crane or low profile forklift.

And I can't wait to see more of Jere's pictures!!

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It's Snowing, kind of hard, and even though there is now some inside work, there are no workers there today. Still time for me to catch up on my own thoughts on some of the questions and comments here.

Someone earlier asked if the floors are finished inside the modules. I still can't see in most of the windows due to the lack of backfill and the height above the ground level surrounding the living space. But, today Scout and I climbed one of the soil piles and could see into the large front room well enough (not at all clear on this picture) to note the floor is a hard plywood subfloor. This room would likely be carpeted, and I cannot see into any rooms like a kitchen to see what state those floors are in.



What little noticeable work completed yesterday was some more grading of the stone drive approach to the garage opening (though the opening is still several feet above the stone). Setting a construction trailer in the drive, and rolling a serious generator on site so I assume more tools, probably lighting, who knows maybe even heat will be showing up soon.

And now for some conjecture on the configuration of the garage and more specifically the floor of the garage. This isn't a great picture, but it's the only one I have that might tilt my thinking:



Note the right end of the garage modules have extra windows, and the right most end has an interesting extrusion with peaked sub roof. Remember from pictures under this part of the building this same right end also has the insulated pre-cast foundation walls. And the sonotube poured column sites more or less at the right hand end of the garage door opening so that it and the haunches could be extra support for the portion of the garage floor that vehicles will park on. So, here is this mornings thoughts. Suppose the right most 12' of the garage will become a specialized workshop or greenhouse, or pottery shop, or painting studio, or carving studio or other art and craft room (keep the fumes out of the rest of the house). A separate room from the garage parking area, but also separated from the rest of the house. Might even have a basement/vault not yet formed, but to take advantage of the insulated exterior walls. Some of you experts might tuck this line of thought into your individual pipes and smoke on it for awhile.

Here is another photo from the east end of the building that might clarify what I mean by the extruded sub section.:



So, perhaps I'll throw just one more idea. I believe there will be a very large deck/porch extending most of the width of the building from this end. Perhaps the space on the end of the garage (which is the left end in this photo will be a kitchen/bar/audio room for indoor-outdoor access from the deck.

If only the builder would have asked me to keep the plans in a safe place for when he is here working, but so he doesn't have to bring them back and forth from his home in Delaware.

Next time I am in casual conversation with the builder, or perhaps the future home owners I'll ask.

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The right side of the garage where the two windows are on the corner could be a mud room/laundry room.

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