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post #16 of 346 Old 02-12-2019, 07:44 PM
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I had to thin my RB garden last year but it is amazing what you can grow in a small space when soil is super fertile.

I have always been an, in the ground, Gardner but raised beds have sold me.

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We may expand the garden this year, or just move some of the planting into an already fenced part of the yard. I finally sent out a sample of our soil and received a test report from UConn in December, and will be looking for a local source of 5-10-10 as Spring approaches. Limestone, the other recommendation, is easily found. We picked up some free seeds from the local library via URI. We will still purchase fresher seeds and some started plants closer to Memorial Day.

The cover crop greened up nicely but needs warmer weather to flourish before tilling. This is the last photo I took that direction (late December).
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I'll have to agree with leaving plenty of space between rows, especially tomatoes. This is mine last year with plants set in 5' wide rows. I had them caged, and T-posts set to do a Florida weave around the cages. I got them mulched with leaves before last Summer's monsoons hit. I figured I had a couple weeks before having to worry much about training the tomatoes, and keeping them inside the cages. They grew quicker than I had anticipated, and the lower limbs were just too big to get back in the cages. I manage to get the higher one's in after that, but they still got pretty bushy, and closed the rows in. I thought of trimming them back, but was afraid it may lead to some disease damage.

This year, I plan on 6' between rows. I'll not be planting sweet corn, so that will give me extra width, plus much more room to space out the pole beans, peas, mabe some cuke's, and pepper plants.
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I pulled hundreds of these tomato worms off last year. I have to take some preventative measure s this year
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It's still 3 months til planting here, w/12"+ snow on the ground,
but, the main task this year is to get the deer fence up.

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A little spray keeps the tomato worms at bay! Don't take much to knock them down.

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I pulled hundreds of these tomato worms off last year. I have to take some preventative measure s this year
I did a little search on that too. Looks as though BT is the safest to use on those, for the caterpillar stage. Non harmful to humans, pets, or bee's. Like Spinosad though, they have to eat some foliage, and ingest it before it kills them.

I questioned it several years ago, to the son, of a buddy of mine who works in the Ohio Dept. of Ag. testing Lab, and he swears it to be safe. A natural bacteria.
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It also pays to rotate your garden crops. Advantages of less disease form one year to the next and planting where last years crop will fertilize this years help cut cost.


There is so much we can not eat any more we are pretty much down to leaf crops. The wife can no longer eat anything with seeds. It looks like if we plant this year it will be salad bowl stuff. Many be some summer squash.
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I pulled hundreds of these tomato worms off last year. I have to take some preventative measure s this year
I did a little search on that too. Looks as though BT is the safest to use on those, for the caterpillar stage. Non harmful to humans, pets, or bee's. Like Spinosad though, they have to eat some foliage, and ingest it before it kills them.

I questioned it several years ago, to the son, of a buddy of mine who works in the Ohio Dept. of Ag. testing Lab, and he swears it to be safe. A natural bacteria.
Interesting thanks for the advice I will look into that. they really destroyed my tomatoes last year

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I pulled hundreds of these tomato worms off last year. I have to take some preventative measure s this year
I did a little search on that too. Looks as though BT is the safest to use on those, for the caterpillar stage. Non harmful to humans, pets, or bee's. Like Spinosad though, they have to eat some foliage, and ingest it before it kills them.

I questioned it several years ago, to the son, of a buddy of mine who works in the Ohio Dept. of Ag. testing Lab, and he swears it to be safe. A natural bacteria.
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Did some reading and seems like it does work from reading reviews. Ordered some. Thanks

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I was planning on getting mine at TSC, when the time comes. I'd love to plant a few cabbage, and broccoli, but those dang worms really work on a cabbage. And the tiny worms that get in broccoli make it a pretty tedious job of cleaning, before freezing.
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Moved into a new house end of November 2018 so have some work to do with a new concrete walkway and address some drainage with the front lawn. No actual garden beds here besides small flower beds so I'll be working to create one. Probably about 300 or so square feet this year. Hopefully it does well and will be able to be expanded on for next year.
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I pulled hundreds of these tomato worms off last year. I have to take some preventative measure s this year
Haven't seen much problem with tomato worms like that at all. Smaller worms on the cabbage, and broccoli leaves are almost a yearly thing except for last year because I didn't plant cabbage or broccoli. Broccoli and cauliflower are back on the rotation for this year.

Do most of you start all from seed vs buying plants? I have a small 30" x 5' portable green house with the heat pads and grow lights that I was planning to utilize this year but when I do the math, by the time I purchase seeds and soil and such, pre started plants will be cheaper. Then factor in the electric and all, but I'd still like to start them from seed. Thinking if the seedlings do well, that I may be able to sell a few extra. A single pack of seeds should last for spring and fall plantings of those varieties and get at least a full year to 2 years per seed packet.
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The only thing I start from seed, is varieties the Amish greenhouse where I buy my plants, does not have. A couple types of paste tomatoes, some onions that were sent to me by a fellow from this forum, to keep them going, and some Leeks.

Last year, I tried germinating seeds in dampened paper towels, placed in a seal-able sandwich bag, with all but about 1" of it left open to breathe. I just placed them on a card table in the living room, which has a lot of sunlight coming in. Most garden forums,and videos tell you seeds will germinate in about 5-7 days. I soon found out with especially the onions, they need to be checked on the 3rd, or 4th day. I also found it's best to use coffee filters, instead of paper towels,because after 6 days, the onions roots had grown through the paper towel, and had to tear the paper towel to get the seedling out. I broke a few in the process. Although they did survive,were smaller than the others with full roots. And, the longer the roots, the harder it is, to poke that rascal down in a small hole of starting soil. I just use the eraser end on a lead pencil to make divots. Then a pair of tweezers to set the seedling. Just kinda' take my index finger, and thumb to pull the media up around the seedling.

Some I started in March, and some later. I'll probably wait a while,until the first of April this year, due to the biofumigtion experiment, and won't be able to set plants until around the first of June. But, once in starting soil, they grew pretty fast. Some I started in 50 cell trays,and others in the 6-pack trays that fit in a flat from previous years of buying plants.

Here's a couple of pictures of some tomato seeds, and onion seeds I started last year. I even started some Asparagus, and Rhubarb seeds the same way. All worked very well, especially the Rhubarb which were good sized in 4 days. But, temps in the living room average 75ļ, so they took off fast.

The least expensive starting media I have purchased has been Pro-Mix, that comes in a compacted bale similar to peat moss. A bale of that will go a long way. I just checked the local Menards, and a 2 cu.ft. bale is almost $13.00. Any big box garden center should carry it. I also bought a bag of vermiculite, and mixed it like 70/30, for a little additional moisture retainer. I bought 3 of the bales, probably 6 years ago, during a clearance sale, and have half a bale left, and I know I've started nearly 1,000 seedlings with the other 2-1/2 bales in those 6 years.

I used a couple standard 3500 Lumen LED shop lights for grow lights, and they worked pretty well. But nothing like real sunlight, after transferring them outside into the little greenhouse I built. Within a week, they were a deep dark lush green. I was late getting them out there, due to a cool wet Spring.

To each his own on seed starting, but this worked well for me, and I'll keep using it. At least you know for sure you have a full tray of plants, and no empty cells.
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We buy both seed and plants. Peas, pumpkins, gourds, sunflowers, morning glories, corn, beans, and half the cukes were seed. Tomatoes, eggplants, peppers, and the rest of the cucumbers were plants. We have a small garden (~30íx30í) and this works well.

We havenít started seeds indoors in years as they didnít do well (thatís on me). As we get back into gardening we may give it another go. I like the look and results from DJ54ís methods.

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