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post #1 of 38 Old 09-08-2018, 12:08 AM Thread Starter
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Source for trees?

If you were going to start a small orchard where would you look to get the trees from? I don't plan on paying the big box stores $30 each for 50 trees.

USDA provides small twigs for 'reforestation' efforts, but they're only basic or decorative trees, not crop trees.
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Im planning the same and Im going to try the local nursery first. Ive bought offline, but wasnt very successful (but may try again). A reputable local seller will be able to recommend varieties and types based on local conditions. Your local cooperative extension should also have good input.

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I bought my hundreds of Pines thru my county soil & water conservation group, they had a variety of trees I just wanted pines. back when I bought them it was about $25 for 100 trees, they were only about as big as a pencil. this was back in 1990-92 Here is this summers picture....
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Yup, I also bought seedings from the DNR?. They sell them every spring. Wide variety of trees, don't know about fruit trees though.
Here it's a 500 tree minimum order in batches of usually 100.

Check with your state for their program.

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Around here, USDA gives them away in packs of 10, but they're twigs and I haven't had good luck with them growing. They can take 10 years to amount to anything. But again, they're shade or ornamental, not crop trees. I'm looking for apple or peach to be able to pick and sell something within five years or so which means they need to be far more mature. I have a couple of nurseries around and I can check with the Co-op Extension office.
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What do you guys do to keep deer from eating the seedlings? They eat everything up here.

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I just let weeds grow around them to hide them. THen hope for the best.


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What do you guys do to keep deer from eating the seedlings? They eat everything up here.
We have deer through here every day as well. Depending on the size of the trees we purchase, I plan on using galvanized netting/fencing cylinders to start the trees, but Im not planting all that many.
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In the last 3 years I redid my orchard planting 700 trees. If you are interested PM me and I'll send you some links on the project over 4 years.

Adams County Nursery in Pennyslvania is a good vendor, but they really don't want the business if you are ordering under 100 trees. Keep in mind orders are 2 years out. You need to know what rootstock you and and of course variety too. Prices with shipping are $6.50 to $9.75 per tree depending on size and royalty.

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^^ My local Lowes is clearing out their stock already, so I picked up a dozen different trees, two-three of each variety for about $14 each. That will tell me enough about what's involved to get started for a year or so. No way I have room right now for 100 or more, but I'm looking at another 4 acres next to me. Not sure of the guy wants to sell or not though.
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Improper planning in an orchard is a huge mistake. One must first determine if you want to just "have some apples" and hope for the best or do you want to have good food grade apples.

The first decision is are they going to be cared for, i.e. sprayed on an very regular basis. Thus you have two decisions:
1. Regular varieties that require intensive management
2. Scab free varieties that require virtually no care

The next question is what size do you want the trees to be. If you bought these at Lowe's chances are you can't answer the question as to what rootstock these are grafted on nor can I.

Modern techniques are utilize high density planting systems that populate at 1,200 trees/acre. Thus a lot of trees can be planted in a small area. The new system is labor intensive to establish, but much easier and efficient in the long run.

Here, watch this, it explains a lot.


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#2, no/low maintenance would be great.

Keep in mind this is a hobby/passtime kind of thing with the intent to produce enough food crop to sell some to the neighbors and the local food bank. I don't intend to be a large producer.

I don't like using chemicals on food products, but I won't be anywhere near 'organic' either. Neighbor says I can have all the goat manure I can scoop for fertilizer.

I don't/won't have the bucks for a 10' tall Buck fence, but I may be able to run a wire of three tied to a solar charger.
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Great video and information, c5rulz. Im thinking along the lines of Obscured-by-Clouds as far as quantities (if I do any of this).

The first decision is are they going to be cared for, i.e. sprayed on an very regular basis. Thus you have two decisions:
1. Regular varieties that require intensive management
2. Scab free varieties that require virtually no care


I can attest to making a poor decision when I planted a few trees years back. I did not spray: they all succumbed to one disease, infestation, or another. I thought it would be fun to grow apricots, apples, and peaches... none survived.

There is a local pick-your-own orchard nearby that uses the new method of 3 oc by 12 rows: I thought it looked pretty odd when we went, but I see the logic now. I always imagine of the type of orchard Donald Duck grew in Apple Core (minus the chipmunks).
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Great video and information, c5rulz. Im thinking along the lines of Obscured-by-Clouds as far as quantities (if I do any of this).

The first decision is are they going to be cared for, i.e. sprayed on an very regular basis. Thus you have two decisions:
1. Regular varieties that require intensive management
2. Scab free varieties that require virtually no care


I can attest to making a poor decision when I planted a few trees years back. I did not spray: they all succumbed to one disease, infestation, or another. I thought it would be fun to grow apricots, apples, and peaches... none survived.

There is a local pick-your-own orchard nearby that uses the new method of 3 oc by 12 rows: I thought it looked pretty odd when we went, but I see the logic now. I always imagine of the type of orchard Donald Duck grew in Apple Core (minus the chipmunks).

Guys it is now like I was bestowed with wisdom on apple growing. I've made all the mistakes already. I started with apples in 1991 and I too started with an "end of the season deal" at a big box store. I talked to the Mgr. when they had 50% off. Told him I would take all the apple trees with a 75% discount. I got them and put them in. One of the varieties, I never used a single Yellow Delicious as they were a crap soft apple. The trees got HUGE and were very difficult to prune and it took 2 -2.5 hours per tree in the Spring. Fell off a 10' orchard ladder when the frost was going out of the ground. Eventually pulled them out with an excavator and did it right.

Growing high quality apples is a matter of scale, it is not harder to take care of a bunch compared to a few.

This morning by 11am I have orders for 6 bushels of Cortland and 2 of Honeycrisp. So I have to get to walking the dogs.

For most people and trust me on this, BUY SCAB FREE TREES THAT REQUIRE LITTLE MAINTENANCE AND PLAN BEFORE YOU JUST START BUYING TREES.

If you don't, 15 years from now you will wonder how you are going to deal with an apple tree that is 30' tall that you can't prune, pick or spray due to the size. The apples won't color due to shade and you will wonder "what went wrong". Been there done that guys.

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