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post #16 of 21 Old 07-21-2019, 11:21 PM
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Re: Remove bucket and tire weights, drain ballast to prepare for transport

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The 2014 ram 1500 with the 5.7 liter hemi, 8 speed tranny, and 323 gear is rated around 8700 I think when I looked it up. It's a long trip though so I would prefer to come in way under that.
Gross vehicle weight (GVW) is the truck plus payload (including passengers).

Gross combined vehicle weight (GCVW) is truck and payload, plus trailer and payload.

That's why I suggested weighing the combination.

Estimated weights.

First truck:

Truck ..................... - 4500 lb
Payload .................... - 500 lb (Driver, passenger, suitcase, tools, etc.)
Trailer .................... - 1100 lb
Tractor (Base weight) - 4600 lb

Total .................... - 10700 lb

Second truck:

Truck ..................... - 4500 lb
............................................. Driver and accessories - 500 lb
............................................. Wheel weights .......... - 500 lb
............................................. Loader and bucket .... - 700 lb
............................................. Barrel of liquid ballast - 400 lb
Payload ................. - 2100 lb

Total ..................... - 6600 lb

Note that the difference between estimated and actual weight could easily be several hundred pounds to your negative benefit.

You may have a problem or two. My G20 Chevy van weighed 5400 lb w/driver and assorted tools, tie downs, and jacks. GVW was 6600 lb, GCVW was 9900 lb. A G20 (3/4 ton) van is the same as a G10 (1/2 ton) van with suspension and engine upgrades, and a few creature comfort options thrown in for good measure. Just the gas in the tank weighed 198 lb when full. If you had to cross the DOT weigh scales, you wanted an empty tank if you were close to the limit.

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Re: Remove bucket and tire weights, drain ballast to prepare for transport

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Gross vehicle weight (GVW) is the truck plus payload (including passengers).

Gross combined vehicle weight (GCVW) is truck and payload, plus trailer and payload.

That's why I suggested weighing the combination.

Estimated weights.

First truck:

Truck ..................... - 4500 lb
Payload .................... - 500 lb (Driver, passenger, suitcase, tools, etc.)
Trailer .................... - 1100 lb
Tractor (Base weight) - 4600 lb

Total .................... - 10700 lb

Second truck:

Truck ..................... - 4500 lb
............................................. Driver and accessories - 500 lb
............................................. Wheel weights .......... - 500 lb
............................................. Loader and bucket .... - 700 lb
............................................. Barrel of liquid ballast - 400 lb
Payload ................. - 2100 lb

Total ..................... - 6600 lb

Note that the difference between estimated and actual weight could easily be several hundred pounds to your negative benefit.

You may have a problem or two. My G20 Chevy van weighed 5400 lb w/driver and assorted tools, tie downs, and jacks. GVW was 6600 lb, GCVW was 9900 lb. A G20 (3/4 ton) van is the same as a G10 (1/2 ton) van with suspension and engine upgrades, and a few creature comfort options thrown in for good measure. Just the gas in the tank weighed 198 lb when full. If you had to cross the DOT weigh scales, you wanted an empty tank if you were close to the limit.
Guess I'm not taking the ballast.
I did read the stuff is extremely corrosive if it get's out of the tubes and there is a high likelihood that will happen where I am going to be using the tractor cause we have mesquite thorns out here that go through tires like their butter.

As far as towing capacity it is based from the reading I have done and my understanding largely on the drive train component's. Tranny, rear end gear, engine.

3.6L PENTASTAR V6 Engine with eTorque: The Ram 1500, when equipped with the Ram 1500 V6 engine, can tow a maximum of 7,730 pounds. 5.7L HEMI V8 Engine: The 2019 Ram towing capacity reaches a maximum of 11,610 pounds with the 5.7L HEMI V8 engine.Sep 7, 2018
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Re: Remove bucket and tire weights, drain ballast to prepare for transport

Without knowing actual weights and the package your truck is there is no way for any of us to tell you one way or the other. But I would say if your truck did not come with or does not have a tow package installed you need not even buy a trailer. The bumper hitch does not qualify for what you are wanting to do and without trailer brakes it would be simply crazy.
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Re: Remove bucket and tire weights, drain ballast to prepare for transport

It makes more sense now, still a lot of work tho.

The tires are likely filled with Calcium Chloride which is corrosive to metal but that's about it. Your local Dept. of Highways would use it for dust control on dirt roads in the summer and to help thaw out frozen pipes in the winter.
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Re: Remove bucket and tire weights, drain ballast to prepare for transport

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It makes more sense now, still a lot of work tho.

The tires are likely filled with Calcium Chloride which is corrosive to metal but that's about it. Your local Dept. of Highways would use it for dust control on dirt roads in the summer and to help thaw out frozen pipes in the winter.
Road salt for melting snow and ice on the roads. Keeps body shops in business. It is also a herbicide if you have weeds growing in your gravel drive or walkways.

It will rust out GT rims in about 12 years when used as ballast. (Practical experience!)

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Re: Remove bucket and tire weights, drain ballast to prepare for transport

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Without knowing actual weights and the package your truck is there is no way for any of us to tell you one way or the other. But I would say if your truck did not come with or does not have a tow package installed you need not even buy a trailer. The bumper hitch does not qualify for what you are wanting to do and without trailer brakes it would be simply crazy.
A 2014 Dodge Ram 1500 weighs 2,325 kilograms (5,126 pounds) and a payload of 708 kilograms (1,560 pounds). This truck has a towing capacity more than its weight of 3,606 kilograms or 7,950 pounds.
https://www.reference.com/vehicles/m...dd71917a6ba3d0


This varies depending on the drive train. For instance mine has a 5.7liter hemi, 8 speed, 323 rear end gear. It's not going to tow as much as a ram with a 392 gear. I looked it up and for it's specs it's rated at about 8700lbs.

Not sure I think all ram 1500's come standard with a towing package which includes a 10,000lb hitch and 7 way and 4 way light hookup. Not sure what's optional. For instance tranny cooler, larger radiator for engine. Mine has both of those. The 2012 ram has those and also a built in brake controller.

Looking underneath my 2014 there is no label on the hitch to specify rating. It is bolted to the frame and looks much like a curt class 4. Which would be 10,000lbs.

Finding information online has been difficult. When I get more time I will look through the manual.
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