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post #1 of 1080 Old 06-10-2011, 10:31 PM Thread Starter
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The "Blue Money Pit"

Hi all, I'm not a new member, just new to the "Ford Forum". I have a couple Craftsman rebuilds over on the Sears / Craftsman forum. It now looks like I have a "new to me" Ford project. I plan to try for the same quality that I gave the Ctaftsmans, Parts availability and manuals permiting.
Links to the Craftsman projects for those that are interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0WeKMmfwOo
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showth...hlight=hulk+ii
Now I have a new project, Ford LGT 145. It will be delivered tomorrow.
$60.00 + 20.00 for the haul out to my place.
Only history I have is the Guy selling it was cleaning out someone elses barn, and drug it out. It was either going to scrap, or he knew I looked for stuff like this.
Hope to have it here tomorrow, I'll know more then on what I have.
Manuals and Parts links will be much appreciated.
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1990 18.5 Craftsman (RED)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsmans II (HULK II)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsman II (BOH)
1983 Ford LGT 145 (Blue Money Pit) SOLD 6/27/2014
1978 Roper 20T (Old Girl)
1988 JD 165 Hydro (Little John) Sold 2019
2012 Craftsman Pro
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https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-jo...ttle-john.html
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post #2 of 1080 Old 06-10-2011, 10:35 PM
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Re: The "Blue Money Pit"

Looks like a good candidate for an overhaul. If it comes out as nice as your Craftsmans , that's gonna be a beauty of a Ford. Keep the pictures coming!

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Re: The "Blue Money Pit"

Can't beleave no FORD people has commented. I think this one will be more of a challange no sears or Briggs help, but on the plus side I can take my time as I have two really good tractors. The Ford will get me and the grandson back together as a project, as today is his 6th B-Day, and I plan to tell him this is his. (He already claims Hulk) but Pap-Pap always uses it.
He will need "Blue" hair for this one.
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1990 18.5 Craftsman (RED)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsmans II (HULK II)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsman II (BOH)
1983 Ford LGT 145 (Blue Money Pit) SOLD 6/27/2014
1978 Roper 20T (Old Girl)
1988 JD 165 Hydro (Little John) Sold 2019
2012 Craftsman Pro
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showt...hlight=hulk+ii
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showt...hlight=hulk+ii
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showt...hlight=hulk+ii
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=699657
https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-jo...ttle-john.html
https://www.mytractorforum.com/14-cr...r-hulk-ii.html

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post #4 of 1080 Old 06-11-2011, 01:24 AM
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I think everyone is out mowing there lawns. Here in the north east I still have 3ft high grass on ground that just got dry enough to mow.
That is quite a bit stouter tractor than the Craftsman's. You might want to keep that one for yourself when you're done.
Complete Kohler manuals are online and if you go to Messicks in the advertising section of the main page, then click on Newholland, then LGT for the model, it will bring up a complete parts breakdown for your tractor with Jacobsen parts numbers. Unfortunately many parts are no longer serviced. Implements are also hard to find, without buying a whole other tractor that comes with them. You should be impressed by the construction of your new tractor. I still don't know why they weren't more popular, except that they were quite pricy when new, but that doesn't explane why you can find 10 older Cubs or Deers to one Ford or Jake.

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Re: The "Blue Money Pit"

They are quite stout as the saying goes. Much more sturdy than the Craftsmans. Many guys here have that particular model. Mine are the older open sided models but with virtually the same mechanicals.

Hopefully your engine is in good enough shape to use as is. If it requires a rebuild, look to Ebay for your parts. I get all my Kohler OEM parts there. Much cheaper than buying at retail price. Deals can be had. Diligence and patience pay off here. Be sure to know the part numbers you need as most sellers just list part numbers, not knowing what engine the parts belong in.

Many body panels and mechanical parts also come up on Ebay from time to time. So you may want to keep a watchful eye for potential parts needed.

As Peterbilt stated, you can find complete parts breakdowns with wiring diagrams at Messicks. Just click on their advertising link on the MTF home page. Good luck with your new project. I'm sure your grandson will love helping out on this one.

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Re: The "Blue Money Pit"

Larry, after you use the Ford your going to let the grandson have Hulk
I had the exact same Craftsman tractor, and as soon as I got my first LGT I was hooked!
I have all the goodies you may want, to stuff one of them Briggs twins in your rig too as I put an 18hp in mine, only to remove it for a 3cylinder diesel I love both my LGTs they both work awesome, and the mower deck install and removal will surely convince you of that

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Larry, it looks to be in better shape than my LGT 165 when I got it. I have all the manuals for these, just can't upload them here. Too big to e-mail, also. John helped me out to begin with(very much appreciated, John). Send me an e-mail and I'll see about helping you get this 145 back working.

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Thanks for the replies, I'm waiting on delivery today. Will capture all the Model numbers and then let the fun begin.

1990 18.5 Craftsman (RED)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsmans II (HULK II)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsman II (BOH)
1983 Ford LGT 145 (Blue Money Pit) SOLD 6/27/2014
1978 Roper 20T (Old Girl)
1988 JD 165 Hydro (Little John) Sold 2019
2012 Craftsman Pro
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showt...hlight=hulk+ii
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https://www.mytractorforum.com/showt...hlight=hulk+ii
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=699657
https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-jo...ttle-john.html
https://www.mytractorforum.com/14-cr...r-hulk-ii.html

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I still don't know why they weren't more popular, except that they were quite pricy when new, but that doesn't explane why you can find 10 older Cubs or Deers to one Ford or Jake.
It's easily explained- back in the late 70's those Fords were pretty much junk. Bought one brand new. Ford's biggest mistake was a 2 year parts and labor warranty. Thing spent more time at the dealers than at home. Had some one on one time with the Ford engineers also. At the end of the warranty period, sold it for what I could get out of it. Lets see - hydraulic pump replaced, front dozer blade repaired several times, modified twice by the engineers, and they never could make the garden plow work correctly. Two engineers spent a full 1/2 day on that one, finally gave up. Good thing they don't build their trucks like they did those tractors.
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Ford didn't make the tractor Jacobsen/Textron did. I was implying the opposite. I think they are great tractors, that used all top of the line components. The hydro and charge pump are Eaton, sized for ground engaging implements. The manual 4 speed rear and the two speed gear reducer for the hydro units are Tecumseh's heaviest rears for garden tractors. The steering box is Ross, maybe a little weak but at least a real steering box, not the cheep gears seen on a lot of bottom line riders. The motor is a full cast iron Kohler K-series with roller main bearings. Although not seen much, they came with factory options for duel hydraulics to operate the plow angle, 3pt hitch, PTO driven tiller, And the solid proven design didn't change much for around 20 years.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion and mine is that they are darn close in quality and engineering to the John Deer 316!!! and better than Cubs

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Excuse the rant but to further elaborate, if I didn't rank them right up there with all of the top line tractors of the 70's and 80's I would own a different tractor.
Now lets hear a reasonable explanation as to why they weren't more popular.
Maybe the warranty was an issue with consumers.
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I think everyone is out mowing there lawns. Here in the north east I still have 3ft high grass on ground that just got dry enough to mow.
That is quite a bit stouter tractor than the Craftsman's. You might want to keep that one for yourself when you're done.
Complete Kohler manuals are online and if you go to Messicks in the advertising section of the main page, then click on Newholland, then LGT for the model, it will bring up a complete parts breakdown for your tractor with Jacobsen parts numbers. Unfortunately many parts are no longer serviced. Implements are also hard to find, without buying a whole other tractor that comes with them. You should be impressed by the construction of your new tractor. I still don't know why they weren't more popular, except that they were quite pricy when new, but that doesn't explane why you can find 10 older Cubs or Deers to one Ford or Jake.
the only problem i have seen with theses old fords is like you said mostly you have to buy another tractor with the attachments you want , also you can build attachments like skyrydr2 did for his 165 you will for surely like this tractor better then the craftsmens , good luck with geting her running

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It's easily explained- back in the late 70's those Fords were pretty much junk. Bought one brand new. Ford's biggest mistake was a 2 year parts and labor warranty. Thing spent more time at the dealers than at home. Had some one on one time with the Ford engineers also. At the end of the warranty period, sold it for what I could get out of it. Lets see - hydraulic pump replaced, front dozer blade repaired several times, modified twice by the engineers, and they never could make the garden plow work correctly. Two engineers spent a full 1/2 day on that one, finally gave up. Good thing they don't build their trucks like they did those tractors.
i am not sure what model tractors your talking about the lgts are very strong and built very heavy duty and the earlyer fords are very good tractors too , you may have goten a lemon , and as for being junk if they are junk then why are there still alot of them here today and not made into a tin can 3 times over , everyone has there own opinion , but i too think they are great tractors

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Update, I will probally get this Monday at work. Guess he didn't want the extra $20 to bring it out today. Interesting hearing the comments so far. I can't really chime in yet till I get it.

1990 18.5 Craftsman (RED)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsmans II (HULK II)
1988 18.HP 44 Craftsman II (BOH)
1983 Ford LGT 145 (Blue Money Pit) SOLD 6/27/2014
1978 Roper 20T (Old Girl)
1988 JD 165 Hydro (Little John) Sold 2019
2012 Craftsman Pro
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