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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

This is going to be a question that might just challenge the Ford snowblower experts. I have a GT65. This is the diesel with shaft driven PTO. This is very similar to the LGT 14d or Lgt 16D

I found what appears to be a 42" 2 stage blower that was converted from shaft to belt by the current owner. It looks very close to these pictures with the dual huge lifting springs and hangars.

So the questions. Were these 42" 2 stage all the same for the LGT, but with a pulley or shaft? More worried about correct rotational speed from 2719 Rpm PTO speed.

I have sent an email for the model number if it still exists on the blower.

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Update.......The CO says its a model 09jc9895 59895. This is for the Ford 1000 and LGT series tractors.

I did find another thread with the same question, but it also appears to be unresolved.

https://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=42221


And a very hot question.........what would you offer for this this blower, knowing you would have to adapt the lift/mounting?

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Not sure what was converted... On my LGT 's blower, (and all the LGT blowers as far as I know,) there is a bracket that mounts on the front of the tractor in place of the mule drive for the mower deck. That bracket includes 2 arms that hold the lift assist springs, and a pulley that lines up under the front PTO on the tractor that feeds a right angle gear box that powers the blower.
So, Tractor to blower initial connection is via a short belt, then the blower is shaft driven to the chain drive assembly that powers the 1st and 2nd stages.

Not sure if that helps answer any questions, as far as the speed of the pto the blower pulley is about the same size as the pulley on the pto, and the gear box is 1:1 so the input speed on the blower is about equal to the engine speed.

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Davendejonge Thanks and appreciate the help. I am thinking this blower went thru several conversions. I believe it started out with pulley, then a 2nd owner converted to a shaft, and then a 3rd owner converted to another smaller pulley. This may be a great bolt on unit for those with LGT's , but most likely not going to help me.

I am leaning to the fact that the blower from the pulley forward was not the same for the LGT 14d and 16d's and all the other LGT's.

From what I have been able to determine. The LGT large frame had a front PTO of 3600 RPM. The Diesel's PTO rpm is 2700. My current thoughts are even if fabricated to attach, I would lose significant throw performance.
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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

If you played with Pulley sizing you might be able to speed up the blower to the speed at which it would have run with the factory setup, and the diesel would be able to power it adequately, but, You still have a home brewed blower...

If you were going to fab something I might look to start with a 2 stage that gets driven directly to the 2nd stage and uses a gear box on the 1st stage from the drive shaft of the 2nd stage to turn the front auger.
CC had a large 2 stage that does that, and I think some other tractors do as well.
Getting rid of the chain drive headache would be nice.

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

I agree and have done the math and play with the pulleys before. I think a main draw to this blower was not having to jump those hoops. Just attach and play........I mean work.
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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Ok, the first pic is of the lifting support that attaches to the back of the tractor, runs over the hydraulic deck lift and attaches to the bottom of the snowblower. As you can see it is also where the support springs attach. The rear clips onto the frame, you can see the clip that releases when time to take it off.


In this pic you can see the bottom of the snowblower and where the lifting support ties to it. The left side still has the sheet metal that covers the drive attachment. On either side of centre is a mounting point for the next few pics.


Here is a close up of the lift support attachment, and the upper attachments.


These pics show the unit that attaches to the front of the tractor. This is a combination piece that supports the snowblower, aides in the lifting and attaches by v belt to the PTO.
The large vertical rods, where they go through the front mounting plate go into the tractor front, the bottom left and right are where it clips onto the pins that are normally either side front, some models only have holes and would need bolts to act as the clips.
Either side upper are the two offset flat bars with tubes welded on, these go into the attachments mentioned earlier either side of centre.
The large vertical rods are bent at the top to hook the support springs onto that are attached to the lift support.
The centre pulley is the drive pulley along with the tensioner that attaches to the tractor front PTO. It drives the gear box and the drive shaft to the left of it. The drive shaft attaches to the small drive pin coming out of the snowblower main drive left of the pic. The cover plate has been removed for clarity.



These pics show the parts loosely laid out in their approximate locations and you can almost picture how it goes together. Hope this helps.

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Kelman great pics. They do help a lot. My subframe has similiar round stock pin, which I think I can use as is or extend a bit...........to attach the blower. All the pulleys look the same size, like davedejonge had stated. So my thoughts and think my conclusion is when I remove the outer pulley and replace it with a half shaft, I would lose significant rpm's. (25% loss)

It does look If I put a bigger sprocket on drive gear, it would make the auger gear spin faster.

On the good side, while trying to figure this out.............I have a lead on a "plug and play" blower.

These are definitely heavy beasts of a snowblower though.

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Yes they are heavy beasts!
Is the plug and play complete and look like mine?
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Yes they are heavy beasts!
Is the plug and play complete and look like mine?
The one I was thinking about getting to convert looks a lot like yours. Different color, but almost all the same except for a smaller pulley they put on their conversion.

The new lead.....looks complete but a whole different animal and is original shaft driven, same rpms, and same direction. But asking is almost twice as much.
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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Kelman, Nice pics! I had the idea of doing the same, as I have to hook up mine for the winter yet.

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Thanks Dave, this was the blower I picked up with the Jake. The blower isn't complete, both the tractor and blower were to be extra parts for the LGT145/blower I ended up selling anyway :side laugh
When are you going to get to installing yours? Any snow your way? Nice frankentractor! I kinda have the same with the LT14 I've created.
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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

No snow here yet, rain today.. I think we get your weather 1 day early, when I talk with my sisters in Hamilton they always seem to get the same as me a bit later. Same big snows on a NE wind. I hope to get it on tomorrow as its going to be warmer out, but, I want the christmas lights up and to finish tilling the garden too...

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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

I had to do some repair work on my blower last night so I snapped some pictures as well.

This is the 2nd ford snow blower I've owned, both had the input bearing go out, and now both have had this happen to them too.



Its supposed to look like this



I think the vibrations from the pulley /pto shake this piece so much it snaps.
On my first one I had some reinforcements welded on to the pulley side of the bracket ( have to make sure the pulley alignment is still good). I hope to do the same with this one tonight.

Anyways, I snapped a few more pictures of the hookup in-case anyone was wondering about how to install a blower on their ford. With Kelman's pics from earlier in the thread I think you have a shot of about everything.


Here is where the pto bracket slides into the tractor. Note the pin with the 2 roll pins thru it on the side of the frame that sticks out 1.5 inches.



here is 1/2 of the bracket slid in place.




here is a shot from the side showing the bracket on that pin.



The longer arm from the blower that runs over the lift mechanism attaches to a bar under the seat of the tractor. You can see the attachment point in this shot.


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Re: FORD LGT 42" Single & Dual stage Snow Thrower info

Good pics Dave. If it wasn't for that darn loader, I'd have a blower on mine.

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