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post #16 of 29 Old 09-22-2014, 11:55 PM
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Re: Mitsubishi Gray Market List

BMaverick,
Seeing as how you have both gray markets and JD's maybe you can give me some insight in making my purchase decision (right now I can only afford one tractor - and even that is cutting it close).

I can buy a Yanmar YM3110D from Fredrick's fully refurbished, 30 yr old, 37 hp tractor
or a 2013 Kubota L3200, 32 hp, 170 hrs,
Both about the same price

everything else is equal - both 4wd, both loaders, both roll bars, etc.

The main differences are:
1 yr or so old compared to 30 yrs old,
170 hrs compared to fully refurbished,
buy as is compared to 1 yr parts warrantee,
32 hp compared to 37 hp,
American sold Kubota compared to a gray market Yanmar,
parts/service comparison???,

What is your opinion? Which would you lean towards?

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BMaverick,
Seeing as how you have both gray markets and JD's maybe you can give me some insight in making my purchase decision (right now I can only afford one tractor - and even that is cutting it close).

I can buy a Yanmar YM3110D from Fredrick's fully refurbished, 30 yr old, 37 hp tractor
or a 2013 Kubota L3200, 32 hp, 170 hrs,
Both about the same price

everything else is equal - both 4wd, both loaders, both roll bars, etc.

The main differences are:
1 yr or so old compared to 30 yrs old,
170 hrs compared to fully refurbished,
buy as is compared to 1 yr parts warrantee,
32 hp compared to 37 hp,
American sold Kubota compared to a gray market Yanmar,
parts/service comparison???,

What is your opinion? Which would you lean towards?
As both are equally equiped, and both are respected names in the Ag business, you have to weigh all the points.

The Kubota 170hrs with no-warranty has an unknown risk if something is wrong. Why is someone selling such a new model in the first place.

The Yanmar with the 1-year warranty helped my cause. I only had over 50hrs from purchase. Glad it was a minor correction (adjustment). With the Kubota, you would have to fork over $60/hr labor plus parts. And that is not at a Kubota service location. (expect to pay more.)

The Hp of 32 and 37 isn't a make or break issue unless plowing or hay baling is needed.

The Yanmar has another advantage. It has a 4-speed PTO.
Yanmar PTO selection speeds are as follows: 1=542, 2=685, 3=1005, and 4=1268rpm
These are at 2200 + engine rpm. However if you run the PTO in speed selection #2 at a lower rpm like 1900 then it's at the normal 540. In PTO speed selection #3 at 1500rpm then it's the normal 540. This saves on engine wear, fuel and your hearing. Why run at full throttle all the time? See this link for the hour-meter tach. Last pix. http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings...x?OHID=8723331

As for parts and service, you have several places. Hoye in TX, Fredricks in AL and the other 4 locations this side of the Mississippi. Weavers, and Steve's Ford tractor site, and many others carry Yanmar parts too.

Many of the Yanmars are grouped together as gray tractors where in reality some were and others not. The "others not" were sold by Yanmar here in the USA during the late 70s and early 80s until John Deere acquired the rights to re-badge and paint green the Yanmars as official John Deeres until the mid 90s. Just the Yanmars imported to the USA were about 100,000 tractors. Under John Deere deal, that number is over a million painted green Yanmars.

Also note, the Yanmar 3110D has Power-Shift. Thus, it's place the stick in a selected speed range and then drive it like an automatic. Is the Kubota like that or would you need to shift each and every time. With the Power-Shift, I can bushhog forward and back without the PTO stopping and starting the mower.

From my data search, the YM3110 engine is the 3T90. This is used in the John Deere 950 and later the John Deere 1050 with turbo. Yanmar even uses this engine in the later three digit series. Thus plenty of parts globally.

So, with the Yanmar, there are pluses. With the Kubota being 1yr old is a plus, but no support with you being on your own.

If you want a Yanmar at a better price, then the YM2610D with loader would save you money over the YM3110D (might be close to $1,000 or more). The YM2610D has the 3T80 engine found in the John Deere 850 and later Yanmar three digit series in the 1990s. The Hp of the YM2610 is much like the Kubota too. More like apples to apples comparison. The 3T80 and 3T90 engines all share many of the same parts too. My John Deere service manuals all show this.

My neighbor has a 70Hp Kubota. He uses that frequently. But when it's down for service his old stand-by tractors still keep going.

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very insightful thoughts, very helpful. This puts a lot of things in perspective. Thank you for the through and detailed analysis.
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Sorry I don't have any info for others about Mitsubishi tractors but to anyone out there who might know... is there any service manual in english available for the Mitsubishi MT165, anywhere? I have tried to track this down but can't find a thing!
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Dear All,

I'm new as of today! looking for a shop/repair manual for Mitsubishi MT4201-D aka 4201-FD

I have searched the online world, I called Southern global tractor, SSB tractor to no avail..

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
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try southern global tractor you can google it for contact info
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try www.japanesetractorparts.com or southern global tractor or SSB tractor
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Any information on a MT7601D or a MT7301? Im desperately trying to track down what I have sitting in my driveway...and hoping it isnt a pig in a poke.
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Any information on a MT7601D or a MT7301? I'm desperately trying to track down what I have sitting in my driveway...and hoping it isn't a pig in a poke.
Zip-o on the MT7601D or the MT7301. BUT ... Change the first numerical digit to a 1 and those tractor numbers pop up EVERYWHERE.

The 1 number on the tractor sort of slants with a top hook that could look like a 7.

Are there any engine markings or engine plate that you could snap-a-pix and post here? This would be KEY to know exactly what you have.

Also, many owners of these tractor have been REBRANDED as Kumiai tractors. Read from the Tractor WiKi about this ...
Kumiai | Tractor & Construction Plant Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia

Hope you find what your machine is.

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Lots of plates and numbers...but I'm told none of it means much...Pics attached
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The 1601 is wayyyyyyy to small for whatever I have...This thing is more in the 75-90hp range
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Lots of plates and numbers...but I'm told none of it means much...Pics attached
Ah, the famous 4BD1 engine. SWEET. You can go to NAPA and get engine parts. It's the Chevy Luv truck engine of the late 70s and early 80s !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Isuzu_engines
https://www.dieselpartsdirect.com/is...diesel-engines

It also comes in a TURBO version.

These engines use the Bosh patented injection system.


As for specs. I only found the Turbo data ...
4BD1T
The original, 3.9 Liter Isuzu diesel was also known as the 4BD1T. It was produced from 1985 to 1992. The turbo-charged, four-cylinder diesel engine had a peak performance of 120 to 128 horsepower, and a peak torque of 250 foot-pounds. The engine had a redline of 3,500 rpm.

So, you could be still right, this tractor could be a very RARE MT7601D or MT7301. At least the engine is better to find parts. The Hp and torque is over the top for a CUT in it's class. It's over Yanmar and Kubota.

The Isuzu Pup and the NPR Trucks used the 4Bd1 engines.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/...el-4bd1.67294/
The little isuzu 4- bangers that were put in chevy luvs and little isuzu pickups are completely different animals than the 4BD1.
The 4BD1 is a very good little engine... In fact, everyone here will probably hateme, but it's a better built engine than the 4bt (or 6BT).
As you probably know, it is direct injected, has replaceable chrome dry liners, inline injection pump, all valve guides and seats are replaceable, solid roller lifters, etc...
I, however am not sure how it does on vibration, though. Just look at all the little isuzu cabovers running around and see how much they vibrate... Although you have to watch out, I think about '92 or '93 they came out with the 4bd2-tc, which is indirect injected.
I have the six cylinder version of the 4BD1T in my truck, the 6BD1T. It is a very good running engine, pulls good.

More valuable engine data here ...
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/...-diesel.37572/

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The 1601 is wayyyyyyy to small for whatever I have...This thing is more in the 75-90hp range
Dang, I think I found data on at least one tractor using the 4BD1 engine!

TractorData.com Iseki SX75 tractor information

Iseki SX75 | Tractor & Construction Plant Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia 70 to 75Hp ratings 4BD1 engine

The Iseki tractor plant used Isuzu and Mitsubishi diesel engines. Also, the Iseki tractors have that Mitsubishi sheet metal look to them too, eve right down to the paint colors!

TractorData.com Iseki TX2160 tractor information

If you picked up this tractor for very little, you could be sitting on a GREAT buy! That 4BD1 engine is talked about going 5000,000 miles before an engine rebuild. It's extremely durable. On gut said his went 230,000 miles and needed a water-pump. It was his fault though, he went 7 years without changing the coolant. LOL

The only other contender would be a Yanmar YM7000.

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I got the tractor with loader attached, for $3500..I spent another 1k getting the cylinders resealed and new filters, fluids, etc...I think it way bigger than what I need here though
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