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post #31 of 44 Old 07-12-2019, 11:49 AM Thread Starter
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the original quote by Steve Urguell

Be careful what Wheel Horse you want to drag around, there were a few that had a lot of power, the 520H with an Onan and this one the big daddy of garden tractors back in the day.

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The three mowers/tractors I was looking at when I bought mine were the XT3, the TS354 and the X500 series. The TS354 was the cheapest in the bunch and also offered more than I needed. I believe the 354 was the absolute right choice for me. You guys can bash it all you want but this tractor is one of the best for the price you can find. Sure, you can't use it with a Johnnie bucket or load up the Husqvarna front bucket with a lot of weight, but who, other than FlHusqGT, bought it for that purpose? Certainly not the people who have been bragging about it's capabilities on here and love the machine. The motor options are awesome, the transaxle is amazing, the deck is solid as a rock, the differential lock works like a champ and it will pull a wagon load of about anything. That was what I was looking for when I bought this under $4000 machine. What else is out there brand new that is comparable for a similar price?

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The three mowers/tractors I was looking at when I bought mine were the XT3, the TS354 and the X500 series. The TS354 was the cheapest in the bunch and also offered more than I needed. I believe the 354 was the absolute right choice for me. You guys can bash it all you want but this tractor is one of the best for the price you can find. Sure, you can't use it with a Johnnie bucket or load up the Husqvarna front bucket with a lot of weight, but who, other than FlHusqGT, bought it for that purpose? Certainly not the people who have been bragging about it's capabilities on here and love the machine. The motor options are awesome, the transaxle is amazing, the deck is solid as a rock, the differential lock works like a champ and it will pull a wagon load of about anything. That was what I was looking for when I bought this under $4000 machine. What else is out there brand new that is comparable for a similar price?
I agree Wiley, sounds like you made an informed choice after a lot of research.

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There is no task which puts more strain on the chassis or the transmission of a tractor than loader duty. Installing and using a loader of any description on a LT/GT with a stamped steel chassis will shorten its service life substantially. The loads on the front of the chassis, and on the steering, are high in the extreme, as is the torque load imposed at the frame to rear axle connection. In particular, the buckling load imparted on the center of the chassis by the rear wheels advancing when the bucket stops imparts a not-designed-for load. The transmission will be called on to perform to its max capability many times in that shortened life span.

With experience, these are known quantities and obvious at a glance. I have 41 years of experience with loader equipped GTs. In that time, I have broken my first loader GT in half due to the buckling forces, and broken both steering knuckles off of the front axle on my second loader GT. In no way was either the fault of the manufacturer. It was mine, and I accept that fact. There is a big difference between ground engaging and ground lifting.

You've been on this bandwagon for a year, according to one of your posts. It's well past time to understand and accept the fact that you chose the wrong tractor for the task that you wanted to do. Don't expect the manufacturer to cover your mistake.

Near as I can tell, you've done a lot of research into why your chassis issues are the fault of the manufacturer, and none on the actual capabilities of the tractor or why the failure happened other than to note that it has limited ground engaging capability. The manufactures of the mini loaders say that even LTs can use their product, and they can. What they don't say is that extended use will eventually damage the chassis, steering, and/or hydro.

FYI, my first loader tractor was a MF12H with a welded steel chassis. (Note; 12 hp, not 24.) The frame broke at a 5" tall weld just ahead of the left rear wheel three times before I figured out why and made the correct modification. That takes a lot of torque to break that much weld. That tractor/loader served me well for another 5 years after the last repair.

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There is no task which puts more strain on the chassis or the transmission of a tractor than loader duty. Installing and using a loader of any description on a LT/GT with a stamped steel chassis will shorten its service life substantially. The loads on the front of the chassis, and on the steering, are high in the extreme, as is the torque load imposed at the frame to rear axle connection. In particular, the buckling load imparted on the center of the chassis by the rear wheels advancing when the bucket stops imparts a not-designed-for load. The transmission will be called on to perform to its max capability many times in that shortened life span.

With experience, these are known quantities and obvious at a glance. I have 41 years of experience with loader equipped GTs. In that time, I have broken my first loader GT in half due to the buckling forces, and broken both steering knuckles off of the front axle on my second loader GT. In no way was either the fault of the manufacturer. It was mine, and I accept that fact. There is a big difference between ground engaging and ground lifting.

You've been on this bandwagon for a year, according to one of your posts. It's well past time to understand and accept the fact that you chose the wrong tractor for the task that you wanted to do. Don't expect the manufacturer to cover your mistake.

Near as I can tell, you've done a lot of research into why your chassis issues are the fault of the manufacturer, and none on the actual capabilities of the tractor or why the failure happened other than to note that it has limited ground engaging capability. The manufactures of the mini loaders say that even LTs can use their product, and they can. What they don't say is that extended use will eventually damage the chassis, steering, and/or hydro.

FYI, my first loader tractor was a MF12H with a welded steel chassis. (Note; 12 hp, not 24.) The frame broke at a 5" tall weld just ahead of the left rear wheel three times before I figured out why and made the correct modification. That takes a lot of torque to break that much weld. That tractor/loader served me well for another 5 years after the last repair.
I agree Tudor, caveat emptor.

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The three mowers/tractors I was looking at when I bought mine were the XT3, the TS354 and the X500 series. The TS354 was the cheapest in the bunch and also offered more than I needed. I believe the 354 was the absolute right choice for me. You guys can bash it all you want but this tractor is one of the best for the price you can find. Sure, you can't use it with a Johnnie bucket or load up the Husqvarna front bucket with a lot of weight, but who, other than FlHusqGT, bought it for that purpose? Certainly not the people who have been bragging about it's capabilities on here and love the machine. The motor options are awesome, the transaxle is amazing, the deck is solid as a rock, the differential lock works like a champ and it will pull a wagon load of about anything. That was what I was looking for when I bought this under $4000 machine. What else is out there brand new that is comparable for a similar price?

This sounds like a sales ad for Husqvarna, potentially from a Husqvarna rep?

You did list all the perks with emphasis, all the good parts of the machine,

1) Motor
2) transaxle
3) deck
4) Differential Lock (Transaxle again)

I've been saying this a long time, amazing how we agree on this.

What I didn't notice was the over emphasis on the "robust" chassis? I wonder Why?

"You guys can bash it all you want but this tractor is one of the best for the price you can find."

The only criticism I've had is how Husqvarna has been representing their Garden Tractors and warranty.

I've pointed out the bargain it could actually be if.........

if Husqvarna started representing their product honestly.

Husqvarna misrepresents their Garden Tractors.

Husqvarna misrepresents their product.

Husqvarna misrepresents their warranty.

Husqvarna supports their unethical Dealers.

"Sure, you can't use it with a Johnnie bucket or load up the Husqvarna front bucket with a lot of weight, but who, other than FlHusqGT, bought it for that purpose? Certainly not the people who have been bragging about it's capabilities on here and love the machine. "

That's a great question,

So Husqvarna just decided to back the branding and marketing of a front scoop to demonstrate "capability" to their potential customers, showing the strength the TS does not have, and ultimately knowing that potential buyers would not be interested in it?

What you failed to mention here about me, I asked the Dealer if he sold a Garden Tractor that was "capable" of a JBJR, and Front scoop, front blade, 1200lb trailer, locking diff...etc I was shown the Husqvarna GT48DXLS. The Dealer said the warranty was unbeatable and they would take care of me because the warranty decisions were up to the dealer, further selling the confidence in the machine.

You took Husqvarna's common warranty denial line with me in the beginning, and blamed me. I gave you the benefit of doubt and respectfully tried to help you understand.

Here we are. NO PROOF. YOU CAN'T OFFER ANY PROOF of your claims. Again I ask, Are you a representative in any way for Husqvarna or their Dealer network? You came on the forum just after I joined to "bash" me and my story. I have to ask because if you are, why not just proudly say it? If the TS is so good as you say, and Husqvarna is so stupid to market an Agri-Fab front scoop, among other products, to their only customer in July, 2017, here in Florida, just proudly stand by your comments for real and accept my challenge in the beginning to Husqvarna, that still goes unanswered.

Oh yeah, I used to brag about it's "capabilities" too, for 11 months and 62hrs, the 63hr was my education.

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"That was what I was looking for when I bought this under $4000 machine. What else is out there brand new that is comparable for a similar price?"

Too easy, I'll just give you this,



And very qualified as "capable". In fact stronger than the TS anything. Their are other options but this meets your stated criteria, and still less than $4000.00
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You do understand thos little buckets on the fron of little mowers are to be used like wheel barrows right? And common sense tells you that because you can doesnt mean you should. Just because thise buckts fit doesnt mean the tractor can handle it.
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You do understand thos little buckets on the fron of little mowers are to be used like wheel barrows right? And common sense tells you that because you can doesnt mean you should. Just because thise buckts fit doesnt mean the tractor can handle it.
Moving 2 or 3 bags of mulch in a johnny bucket..... or a flat of flowers from your driveway / car, to the back garden.... is a totally different task, than trying to excavate the side of a hill by driving the bucket into the hill with the tractor (like you would if you had a real FEL).

One task will not brake frames or ruin transmissions.
The other task will.

Is the JB a ground engaging implement?... sure it is...
...so what stops you from doing task #2 after you bought your shiny new JB, for your light duty GT?..... it should be common sense.... not a warning in a tractor manual.

The JD G110 was a K66 (a GT transmission) version of the L120 tractor. Same frame. Both could accept a JB. But "I knew" that the frame in the G110 was the same as the L120 - so i didnt do any more frame-stress-intensive work with it, than I did with the L120.
Now, pulling a heavy roller?.... Yea - I did that... right after I added frame reinforcements going from the tranny mounting bolts, to the rear hitch plate.

Common sense.

Misrepresentation?... Deere called the G110 an "entry-level GT". What does that mean?... I dont know. Would I pull a plow with it?... no way!
Just like I wouldn't pull a 15,000lb utility trailer, with a compact pickup-truck...... "but it's still a truck right?... with a truck frame and all that stuff... right?".... but common sense has to prevail.

Husqvarna doesn't list their GT capabilities (such as pulling force limit) like a hitch spec for a compact truck.... so if the manual doesn't tell you if you can pull 100lbs or 1000lbs with your GT, what do you resort to?... common sense..... ie: go look at the frame, and make your own decision.

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P.S. I broke my L120 / G110 frame... twice. Then I broke the I-beam cast front axle on that tractor... twice... then I bought a 2305....
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Be careful what Wheel Horse you want to drag around, there were a few that had a lot of power, the 520H with an Onan and this one the big daddy of garden tractors back in the day.

TractorData.com Wheel Horse D-250 tractor information

Those days are gone by. On to cheaper and more expensive.
Whenever I see an old WH come up for sale I always check to see if it's the Gutbrod built one. That's a hoss for sure. Also the 518-520xi/lxi series were 1000lb monsters.

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If a JB is rated for 200# capacity, Id stop there. Driving it into the ground to excavate a hill side will be putting many times that much weight on it and where its mounted through shock load.

Like punching something vs. placing your fist against the same target then pushing. You do much less damage to your hand but your target is less affected.

Now, having mulch or a load of top soil delivered via truck and scooping that without diving in hard would be ok. Or even running a tiller across the ground and scooping up the loosened soil should do alright if done gently.
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FLHusqGT, I looked very hard at the XT2 and XT3. Having a Cub zero Turn for the last 10 years with no problems other than spindles, I really wanted to get another Cub. The XT3 priced itself out quickly and the specs of the XT2 and the TS354 were close. The Husqvarna won out because of the transaxle. I am sure that is the main reason some people decide on the Husqvarna over the Cub. I have burned up a couple of hydros pulling stuff around the farm and did not want that to happen again. A front lift never was considered. I had that covered with my JD 2025R and FEL. So far this little tractor has surpassed my expectations and it's ability to pull around anything I have asked it to do on the farm has been exceptional. I can honestly say I have not experienced a single problem with it since I bought it, unless you consider forgetting about the fuel reserve switch and having to lug a gas can from the barn to the back pasture a problem. Brain farts happen and I can attest to that daily. I still use the old Cub RZT54 for most of my mowing. With 3 new spindles this year, she is cutting grass with the best of them.

I understand your frustration as I have bought garden tractors in the past that haven't worked out. I used to have Sears SS16 and a Case 446 with wheel weights, suitcase weights, lugged tires, dually tire setup, etc. with FEL's, snow blowers, front and rear blades and tillers. I wanted to push these little machines for all they were worth 30-40 years ago and they could take it. My first 9N I bought for less than the current price of a set of lug tires and wheel weights had a FEL on it and that absolutely changed how I felt about garden tractors. Now they are used to mow occasionally but primarily they are used to pull things around without having to use the big green one.

For what you are doing (or want to do) with your GT, there are quite a few smaller SCUT's available that would fit the bill perfectly. A good used unit with a FEL would probably not be much more than you have already put into your current Franken-varna project. These weren't around years ago when I was trying to economically avoid the inevitable and once you get the taste of them it may change your mind, too. Of course you could also jump up to the X700 series and be wonderfully happy.

And by the way, I do not work for the company, never even spoke with them. However, I am a representative of the company because I bought their brand and think they make a great product for what it is intended. My tractor is still as stock as it was the day I bought it and it will continue to provide me years and years of service, I hope.

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FLHusqGT, I looked very hard at the XT2 and XT3. Having a Cub zero Turn for the last 10 years with no problems other than spindles, I really wanted to get another Cub. The XT3 priced itself out quickly and the specs of the XT2 and the TS354 were close. The Husqvarna won out because of the transaxle. I am sure that is the main reason some people decide on the Husqvarna over the Cub. I have burned up a couple of hydros pulling stuff around the farm and did not want that to happen again. A front lift never was considered. I had that covered with my JD 2025R and FEL. So far this little tractor has surpassed my expectations and it's ability to pull around anything I have asked it to do on the farm has been exceptional. I can honestly say I have not experienced a single problem with it since I bought it, unless you consider forgetting about the fuel reserve switch and having to lug a gas can from the barn to the back pasture a problem. Brain farts happen and I can attest to that daily. I still use the old Cub RZT54 for most of my mowing. With 3 new spindles this year, she is cutting grass with the best of them.

I understand your frustration as I have bought garden tractors in the past that haven't worked out. I used to have Sears SS16 and a Case 446 with wheel weights, suitcase weights, lugged tires, dually tire setup, etc. with FEL's, snow blowers, front and rear blades and tillers. I wanted to push these little machines for all they were worth 30-40 years ago and they could take it. My first 9N I bought for less than the current price of a set of lug tires and wheel weights had a FEL on it and that absolutely changed how I felt about garden tractors. Now they are used to mow occasionally but primarily they are used to pull things around without having to use the big green one.

For what you are doing (or want to do) with your GT, there are quite a few smaller SCUT's available that would fit the bill perfectly. A good used unit with a FEL would probably not be much more than you have already put into your current Franken-varna project. These weren't around years ago when I was trying to economically avoid the inevitable and once you get the taste of them it may change your mind, too. Of course you could also jump up to the X700 series and be wonderfully happy.

And by the way, I do not work for the company, never even spoke with them. However, I am a representative of the company because I bought their brand and think they make a great product for what it is intended. My tractor is still as stock as it was the day I bought it and it will continue to provide me years and years of service, I hope.
I appreciate your response Wiley.

The old days of overbuilding do seem to have disappeared, the late 90's or early 2000's? I will say I have been looking at the SCUT design's and it seems they are still overbuilding them (a good thing), because power seems to be less than the chassis ability? I think this is a good practice too.

My "Franken-varna project" (around my house we use the same term ). After the initial rebuild with JBJR up and running, The way the steel was put in transformed its usability beyond what I use. I have put over 100hrs on the machine with sole JBJR use in many applications. I just started using the fab deck again 4hrs ish, and I have made mention many times that deck is powerful. I had been using my little Ariens (gear drive) to mow during the past year, and I do recognize that my lawn season may be a bit longer than most, but it works fine. The fab deck though, has wow factor.

My JBJR has been used for many things. This post got me thinking about what, It's funny how when you have it you just use it, and can't think of not having it. Many times I'm using it to pick up yard tools, move potted plants around the yard as honey doo's, I moved my utility trailer to a different spot and the little concrete pavers I parked it on just went in the bucket and (I don't dump them, they might break) put them in a pile for reuse somewhere else.
I used the teeth to break some potato vines (pull back), it's just handy like that and the Kawaski just humms along. The weights are enough, though it seems like the more weight the better it works (too a point of course). I have used it to level a very large pad and when I have dirt hauled in by the dump truck, I use a shovel to load the bucket until the dirt pile is approx 1' tall, but thats still a lot easier than using a wheel barrel and shoveling dirt up high to get in the wheel barrel. In other words, the tractor has been a real pleasure to operate the past year.

The extra modifications I do are to improve things but I usually preface not necessary, just if you want. I will still do those, I have more coming, for those interested, there fun to do, not always a success, but fun to do.

My intention has never been to insult owners, but it appears I have, I'm a Soldier, I won't quit fighting, but the forum members I have grown to enjoy will not be my casualties, and this forum will not be the battlefield. The battlefield belongs with Husqvarna Corporate on their door solely. I apologize for anyone feeling insulted by my Be ware post's.

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