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post #1 of 25 Old 10-22-2018, 06:38 PM Thread Starter
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I just bought a brand new TS354XD and was happy as hell. It's getting delivered tomorrow. Love the high blade speed, the locking diff, and the Kaw engine.
Now as I read on, it appears I bought a weak framed machine. I did plan on pushing some snow, but mostly just general hard use around my 4 acres.

My 1999 Craftsman is actually still running, but it's time for something new. Did I make a $3500 mistake?

Oh, I have to find a new deck adapter for my Trac Vac also. Any ideas? The plastic Agri-Fab thing looks like junk.
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post #2 of 25 Old 10-22-2018, 07:20 PM
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Well It depends On what You want to do with the Tractor. Hopefully Your Tractor has the frame reinforcement Under the engine where it seems Prone to Bend Just Don't Think about Using a Johnny Bucket Jr on it and You'll Probably be alright. You Might want to consider a Blower Instead of a Blade and it will Probably be alright with Rear Mounted Implements.

But I think the Best Buy In the Price Range if You want diff/lock Is a Cub Cadet XT2 GX54 D While it doesn't Have a K66 it does Have a K62 which is Pretty close to a K66 In what You Can do with it Plus the Cub's have a C channel style Frame So there Not Prone to damage to the frame.

It is truly a shame what Husqvarna Is Doing to a fine Mid Level Garden tractor Giving it a weak Backbone while giving it a Engine Up grade and a traction Upgrade.

See You Craftsman Is Built On a Older C style frame which is used In today's Husqvarna GT54CS. But the GT54CS doesn't Give You the Kawasaki or the diff/lock Basically if Husqvarna would used the GT54CS frame with all the current Husqvarna Garden tractors You would not be seeing frame Problems with the Tractors

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I ran mine all season and haven't had the first issue with it. I have a small horse farm and have used it quite extensively, although everything I have used it for is pulled, not pushed, but that is what I bought it for. Pushing snow should be fine.
I think the issue is the torque on the frame when lifting weight with a front end loader, and building the machine up with additions to give it more traction and power. That is the only time I have seen a frame problem on this forum with this little tractor. I haven't seen anyone post on here that has used the Husqvarna front scoop in a stock configuration. It might bend the frame, it might not. Like Sarge said, no Johnnie Buckets for sure.

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The problem in the frame is that it is 26lbs of 12 ga steel pan style frame. It will last for awhile probably. The frame on the GT in the first pic model lasted approx 4 passes on a normal suburban driveway for this customer that thought all the same things the rest of us did, until, (he did hire an attorney but they bled him dry) notice the place where it buckled? This is the most common spot with the snowblowers, plows, and scoops, only referring to the Husqvarna branded here which are Agri Fab.

There is another problem, it's the understandable mis-conseption that a TS owner using a Husqvarna branded implement (scoop, snowblower, plow, at the very least) that experiences chassis failure will be covered under warranty. They won't,

( this part is meant for Husqvarna only)

I would challenge any Husqvarna corporate officer to say otherwise and prove it by putting it in writing with official letterhead and credentials addressed to the current owners of the TS/GT with Chassis Reinforcement Plate added that the warranty will not be void should the customer have to remove these plates in order to install the supplied support brackets required for installation of sales induced Husqvarna scoop, snowblower, and plow under the misuse and abuse clause of their warranty.

To the group this is a win win to bring up. If I am wrong as proven by a Husqvarna corporate officer, properly credentialed and a posted letter comes of it (that can be used as supplemental to their existing warranty), then everyone on this forum and others, win, including Husqvarna in my opin.

If I am right, than hopefully I have helped some to avoid this aggravation, and make some informed choices they can live with, instead of the reliance they had in Husqvarna.

I'm very sorry, sincerely, you have joined the ranks without at least knowing first that the TS/GT is not capable of ground engagement work out of the box. It can be a very enjoyable machine with some information, good preparation, and a bit of can-do ingenuity. I can show you what can be done, at the very least it gives you some good ideas, and this machine can be very capable, especially the Kawasaki/ K66 combo.

Very Respectfully,

As always on this subject, I sincerely wish the best for you.

*The first pic is the 2012 from snow blower,
*The second is my 2017 from a JB jr (by the way, it wasn't lifting at the time, I know it twists minds to accept, I had 30 to 40 exclusive hrs on the scoop when this happened, not including any mowing, happened in seconds)
*The scoop manual is to view the scoop, snowblower, plow support brackets that are to be installed to use your snowblower you are considering.
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There is another problem, it's the understandable mis-conseption that a TS owner using a Husqvarna branded implement (scoop, snowblower, plow, at the very least) that experiences chassis failure will be covered under warranty. They won't,





As always on this subject, I sincerely wish the best for you.

*The first pic is the 2012 from snow blower,
*The second is my 2017 from a JB jr (by the way, it wasn't lifting at the time, I know it twists minds to accept, I had 30 to 40 exclusive hrs on the scoop when this happened, not including any mowing, happened in seconds)
*The scoop manual is to view the scoop, snowblower, plow support brackets that are to be installed to use your snowblower you are considering.
Well that is not exactly true. But it depends Partly On the dealer Because the dealer will send a report to HOP if he actually follows procedure. If the dealer goes to bat for you it will more than likely be covered under warranty the Problems is which I have found with other Brands that some dealers could care less at trying to make the customer happy in this Price Point and they will side with the brand they are selling .

Though Husqvarna is the ultimate decider meaning the (Husqvarna Territory Rep). I know HOP territory reps that will go to bat for the dealers and get warranty coverage on damaged frames even implements

My suggestion is if a Person today gets aftermarket equipment make sure if off when going to the dealer or taking picture for HOP corporate

The Problem is aftermarket equipment is the Perfect loop hole for manufacturers to get out of warranty claims.

But HOP does take the cake in your claim by even saying the AG tires are to Much for the Machine or that the sleeve Hitch is to heavy duty for the Machine, Because In some of there sleeve Hitch Manuals they do show a electric assist Kit

My suggest is skip Husqvarna TS if Looking for a Machine to do More than Lawn mowing & snow removal. There Just Not Up more tasks than that because of the stamped Frame.

Whats Funny Murray Made there Garden Tractors on Stamped Frames and they could use all sleeve Hitch Implements and Never saw Many example of people bending those frame's Guessing they used a thicker Gauge of steel to be stamped I don't Know because they have been out of Business for 13 years. Though the name lives on do to Briggs & Strattons ownership.

What I actually hope Happens that there are enough problems for HOP that they finally do a redesign on the frame for what they Call a Garden tractor. Unfortunately it will not be a quick fix. It may take several years for them to realize there mistake of going to a stamped frame. Somebody does realize it now the frame reinforcement by the engine is a dead give away. But the engineer who came up with the original design is probably standing in the way of a redesign is my guess or the head of that department that is my best guess of doing the stop gap measure

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You bring up a good point here, for the possible human side, behind the seen of the story.

I agree that the Dealer has much responsibility, and that it may considerably improve the after sale with an honest, ethical, Dealer following any policies in place between the Dealer, Supplier, and manufacturer.

This is the problem that I have with this system currently in-place,

1) where does Husqvarna place in a conspicuous place for the average consumer prior to sale this policy?

2) Perhaps more importantly, why should this be necessary for the consumer to have to know about?

3) What reliable system is currently in place to know that the Dealer a consumer is considering, is an honest, ethical, Dealer following current policies? I know of none.

4) Is it reasonable for the average Husqvarna consumer to have to hire an attorney for a possible, reliable informed decision?

5 Should a Dealer be allowed to sell, confirm, recommend, or reinforce the implements that Husqvarna won't cover under warranty under "normal" use and "maintenance", or "Damage related to abuse, misuse, neglect, modifications, alterations, use of unauthorized attachments"? regardless if they are manufacturer branded only (illegal by the way, try and get official position from qualified corporate on enforcing a policy of brand only as qualifier for warranty, I truly want to see that), or as per common in the marketplace for like use, without properly disclosing this fact?

I agree the TS is up to the task for lawn mowing, what bothers me for snow removal, even though it may be fine structurally, the warranty is still being used to induce a sale that is deceptive and not supportive of Husqvarna's adverts or Dealer claims.

The support may come from a good Dealer, but the way it is written right now, the customer takes on that liability when they alter or modify the frame (the snowblower/plow requirement to remove the current chassis support bracket for the proper application of the snowblower front chassis support), or under the authorized attachments for normal use of a lawn tractor (just adding a bracket for use of attachment with the attachment recommended weight and traction devices for better performance with use), is not a normal lawn tractor use under the warranty, giving the consumer a false sense of confidence.

I do feel They know this and I've been trying to get them to answer questions directly, but they dance around it and eventually close communication. I will show the group my latest attempts to just get to the place where I can ask the question.

Thank you for this, it does make me laugh and I hope this helps Mizrable1,

"But HOP does take the cake in your claim by even saying the AG tires are to Much for the Machine or that the sleeve Hitch is to heavy duty for the Machine, Because In some of there sleeve Hitch Manuals they do show a electric assist Kit "

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Would you guys please post a picture of how the steering links to the front wheels. If you have the tight turn steering rod to triangular piece to link to tire, then you likely have other future issues in the future.

The 2013 Craftsman in my signature had the blower from the day it was new. I bought the warranty on both the tractor and blower. Sears replaced the entire front end and front tires twice (every 2 years) and it was still sloppy after they replaced it. I was irritated enough because Sears couldn't get repair folks out here often enough to end up replacing the tractor under warranty, so I sold it when I bought a Deere. It did fine with the blower on the front though. No bending or weakening of the frame was apparent.

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I'm dlad to hear you didn't buckle your frame, but what a hassle. I've heard about the problems with the tight turn system, I think the tractor could overpower the system and contribute to it's own demise?

Good thing you had the craftsman warranty too. Sounds like Sears took care of it with customer service verses Husqvarna's customer-no-service.

The pictures were from the damage assessment, the diagram is from the manual for the 2017 GT48DXLS, same as TS.

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I am not sure the Husqvarna has the same triangle steering coupler you are talking about. I have seen them on older Craftsman and Murray mowers and they do not look anything like that. On the good side I have now completed an entire season with my TS and haven't seen a single problem, except a blown fuse. It has performed remarkably well and is one of the strongest and best built garden tractors I have ever owned. I don't abuse it and save the real work for my John Deere 2025, though. If you are buying the TS to move dirt, rock or lead ingots with a FEL, don't waste your money. If you are looking for a garden tractor that will move or blow snow, pull a sprayer, cart or drag a log better than most other garden tractors you will be fine. If you need a garden tractor with more traction, you will also be OK. The differential lock works awesome. Take it for what its worth but I really like this machine. It's not a compact tractor but it is also not a piece of junk like some would have you believe. By the time you spend all the money for the TS and add new tires, wheel weights, ballast and hitches, you could just buy a used compact tractor and be done with it.

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Damage related to abuse, misuse, neglect, modifications, alterations, That any manufacture Can Legally do

use of unauthorized attachments"

That's were You get the Lawyers Or your States Attorney Involved.

If they don't state it In there Manual and Use it as a excuse Not to warranty a Product.

But the Problem Is Suing and collecting are two different things. They Can afford to keep it In court with there Battalion of Lawyers. Unless Your Lawyer is doesn't Take payment for services Until the Case is won Your Out a Lot of Money. That's why with Big Manufacturers You Hope the States Attorney Takes it On because You Not spending Money

Since they won't Talk to you anymore See if showing up in person to file your warranty complaint would do any good. Just don't go postal on them

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Well It depends On what You want to do with the Tractor. Hopefully Your Tractor has the frame reinforcement Under the engine where it seems Prone to Bend Just Don't Think about Using a Johnny Bucket Jr on it and You'll Probably be alright. You Might want to consider a Blower Instead of a Blade and it will Probably be alright with Rear Mounted Implements.

But I think the Best Buy In the Price Range if You want diff/lock Is a Cub Cadet XT2 GX54 D While it doesn't Have a K66 it does Have a K62 which is Pretty close to a K66 In what You Can do with it Plus the Cub's have a C channel style Frame So there Not Prone to damage to the frame.

It is truly a shame what Husqvarna Is Doing to a fine Mid Level Garden tractor Giving it a weak Backbone while giving it a Engine Up grade and a traction Upgrade.

See You Craftsman Is Built On a Older C style frame which is used In today's Husqvarna GT54CS. But the GT54CS doesn't Give You the Kawasaki or the diff/lock Basically if Husqvarna would used the GT54CS frame with all the current Husqvarna Garden tractors You would not be seeing frame Problems with the Tractors


I was going back over this thread and felt I really needed to add something important. The chassis buckling on these Husqvarnas is not limited to using a Johnny Bucket jr., as has been mentioned actually, not even close. It would seem that the most common reason for the chassis or frame to buckle, is actually more often due to snow removal attachments, such as snow-blowers and snow-plows. If you look through the many threads out there, such as the one I have linked here below, you will see more stories of Husqvarna frames buckling due to snow equipment/attachments, than you will buckets/scoops, and other attachments.

I felt the need to point this out, because of the number of people I see commenting who have specifically bought their Husqvarna garden tractors with the specific intention of using snow blowing/plowing attachments. Not trying to be argumentative, but don't want people having wrong impression about what attachments are a problem on these machines.

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Did I make a $3500 mistake?

That amount would buy you something like (what I believe) you're looking for in the USED department. When buying a lawn or garden tractor these days, you've got to go shopping with a raggedy shirt and worn blue jeans to lay on the ground and really look things over (thickness of deck, where are the zerks, etc).

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Mizarables, How about an update on your tractor Thanks, Kennyratt
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Mizarables, How about an update on your tractor Thanks, Kennyratt
I have 121 hrs on it now (approx 60 since the rebuild/mod) and all those hours have been on the JBjr, here is a list of the uses I have performed;

1) Level a building pad (or other construction).
2) Build a driveway and keep it groomed.
3) Hauling landscape rock.
4) Hauling tools on the property to work site.
5) Lifting and hauling potted plants/ small citrus from yard to warm protected ares in case of freeze or hurricane.
6) Unloading bags of dirt from pick-up to back potting area.
7) Unloading bags of concrete from pick-up to landscape site.
8) lifting and hauling 6"X6"X8' post's for horse fence to site and slide em in holes making post's a one man job.
9) Raking small surface roots with the teeth to break up the soil.
10) Attach yard rake attachment and rake pine needles from palmetto effortlessly out to the open.
11) Haul leaf piles to mulching area and pack the pile.
12) Lift small to medium sized tree stumps and place them on utility trailer for the dump.
13) Lift trees that have been cut so that a log can be placed underneath for easy saw work.
14) Make quick work of loading some logs for a neighbors outdoor evening fire (yep true story!).
15) And of course, haul sand!

I put a mix of uses to share.

I can't say enough good things about the Johnny Bucket, just well built, and useful.
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With all the work everyone is doing with these, they seem pretty tough. Lifting, pushing, dragging, buckets, blades, etc. Wow. I would never have thought of doing this kind of work with a GT. I would think this would be scut work. Wow!
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