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post #16 of 58 Old 05-18-2019, 02:24 PM
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I have read and heard that before too--they are able to make high quality stuff--IF the company who wants it made is willing to pay for quality materials..not everything is "junk"..China needs good tools to build things over there too you know!..unfortunately many things we get from them are sub standard ,just so they can be sold cheap..

I have a "china"made ball pein 5 lb hammer I bought at a swap meet probably 20 years ago,that I have whaled the crap out of it smashing up pallets for firewood,beating on rusted truck parts,etc,and I have yet to take a chip out of it,or even have the wood handle show any signs of failing..

I bought a floor jack rated at 2-1/2 tons at the same place ,same seller,the same day,I paid $65 for it--it has chineese writing on it and a bow & arrow picture,cant tell what company made it--it has worked fine all these years,and hasn't even leaked a drop of fluid..I have jacked up more than its rated weight too,if you go too crazy,it has an overload pressure release,it simply wont pump up...

I had a expensive Lincoln floor jack that lacked that feature,I bent it up like a pretzel one day trying to jack up my Ford 600 tractor on loose soil,it just kept pumping up until the saddle was unable to go back down all the way!..the arms bent badly,and soon after it started leaking..that was why I bought the "cheap" jack,better than nothing!..

The engines HF sells are as good as a "real" Honda,so says a friend who maintains equipment at a cranberry bog,they have bought dozens of them to replace old worn out Kohler K91's on berry pickers and he claims they "run forever" as long as you keep oil in them,and rarely need work other than a carb cleaning or replacement once in a while..

I know guys who use them on go-carts and run them without govenors and few have tossed a rod or had any other major failures..one guy I know bought a B&S "Raptor" for big bucks for his kids go-cart,it had a billet connecting rod,etc--they blew it apart in less than a month--he decided to put a 6.5 HP Predator on it and so far its proved to be quite durable--his kids could break an anvil,but the Predator is still running good..


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I was curious what others thought about this. Now would be the time to buy anything made in China because of the tariffs, especially something expensive.
My thought is (and not to be frivolous) if there's something you can buy now for, say, $500...within a few months it may be $750.

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Guys, I'm sure most of us are patriotic, but let's not get into the politics of bashing China or any other country. Try to stay on the topic of the OP.

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You guys all need to understand that while HF does have a well deserved reputation for cheap shoddy Chinese tools, it is getting better every day. Generally, what you pay for at HF is what you get: Buy cheap and it is cheap. Buy more expensive at HF, get better stuff.

We here in America have always thought that tools made here were superior to other tools made elsewhere. However, the industry has changed and American made tools are less and less each month, if you can even find them. Vast majority are made somewhere else and shipped here. They can be assembled here and have a "Made in America" tag on it. The FTC is very vague about this. Many companies have only their headquarters here and everything is made elsewhere, yet still have the made in America tag on it.

Another thing to consider is that what is currently the derisive moniker about Chinese made stuff, is exactly what they said about German tools after WWII and Japanese made tools in the 1970's. Yes the Chinese made ones are going thru the growing pains, just as the others did.

HF does have great stuff, you just have to know your tools. Their impact sockets are every bit as good as ones costing many times more. With their new Hercules and Bauer tools, they are getting much closer to the tradesman tools.
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By the way, it is interesting to Google "where are xxxx tools made". Even Snap-on and Mac manufacture "globally". As a general statement, some hand tools are less global. Electric tools are more global.

As was cited earlier in this thread, the country of origin is less indicative of a tool's quality and durability than are the specs to which it is made.

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I see it (tariffs) as a win-win. I'd love to see more USA manufacturing, and once again buy made in USA. Just don't steal our ideas!

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I see it (tariffs) as a win-win. I'd love to see more USA manufacturing, and once again buy made in USA. Just don't steal our ideas!

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Exactly this is what happened with Japan. We felt sorry them after WWII and gave them our TECH on autos. Now we are flooded with them.

Anyway I will go out of my way to buy US made stuff. I buy my work boots at a factory "seconds" place 45mins from our land in the mountains (double H boots that had a manufacturing place 45 mins from me, but it's closed now). ONLY MADE IN USA. I will not buy the China ones.

That being said I still buy my wrenches at HF, other manufacturers that "claim" to be US made are made with "global" materials. WHAT?

I have not had any problems with the HF stuff I bought accept the electric stuff. Impacts, wrenches, and sockets have held up well, as well as the ball joint and brake tools.

I want to support American workers and our country. I think the tariffs will even the playing field. Once the prices are equal people will buy American again.

I just can't see spending $5K on a tool box that you can get for $1K from HF.

And in this time of, "tax the blue collar man to death" where can we go with what little we have left?

As an ex "Professional wrencher" and paying the costs for tools "from the tool man" it is sick what the prices are.

Can't we find a middle ground?

Sears is all but gone around here. K-Mart took them over and now has the "low end tools" and they cost more then the HF stuff with a crappy return policy.

I want to buy US but really, where is it? SK? Even the stuff at Autozone and Advance is made in china. They too will go up in price. The time of cheap throw away tools is gone. BUY US and be done with it. BUT where can we find them at good prices?

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Try buying a car or truck that has all the parts "Made In The USA"..

Truth is you cant,unless you buy an old Packard or Studebaker,or something made before 1970,when things started being made elsewhere and "assembled" here..

Back in the '80's one parts store I worked at had a counter mat that showed an exploded diagram of a Ford Taurus,and it had arrows pointing at many of the parts,and a caption telling where it was made..there was very few parts made here in the USA,many came from Indonesia,India,and a dozen other third world countries...
Even things like wheel bearings came from Istanbul,Germany,and this was in the 1980's,today practically nothing is "made" here for autos and trucks any more..


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I watch Shark Tank, not because I like all the sharks, but because I like to see the inventions people come up with. Some good, some not so much. The sharks always steer the folks toward moving their operation off shore and most of the time that means China. The bottom line for manufacturers is if they want to increase their margins. manufacture the products in China. The sharks don't seem to worry much about quality and they seem to be representative of most large corporation board members.

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When I started my apprentiship in 1973, I bought "Craftsman tools" great quality, reasonable priced, plus great warranty. I also would pick up cheaper wrenches and sockets for cutting and bending and welding to get into hard to get at areas of machine tools. I still have and use both on occasions. I have a 3/4 drive socket set , that I used that sometimes I'd put a 4 foot cheater on the ratchet. It was a Hero brand, made in Taiwan. I paid $40 for that set, and never broke any of the sockets or the ratchet.
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Realistically in my opinion if you are wanting to buy from HF do it now as the next container loaded ship will be much higher in price. I really have no axe to grind with HF as I bought one of their tow behind trenchers a few years ago and it has been a workhorse. I was surprised at how well it does every digging job I have thrown at it without any problems. I looked at several Made in the USA trenchers and they were mostly using Global Sourced parts.
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I buy some things at HF but I usually do my homework because they have cheap junk and mid-level tools. I bought their $50 2 spray gun set and sprayed my mower deck with Rust-Oleum primer and paint on the bottom and John Deere primer and paint on top. For my first time spraying it did really good. Would a $500 gun be better - of course, but that can be said for every tool out there. I had a bad experience with a tool return in the 90's with Craftsman and up until that point, every tool I owned was Craftsman. Since they changed their return policy I began looking for better tools. I went to GearWrench for my ratchets and other specialty tools, but for something that I'll use a little bit, I'll see if HF has something I can use. These days it's almost all the same tools, just different boxes. I've got a HF angle grinder that is a workhorse, but they have cheaper ones that break after 15 minutes. My Makita battery powered angle grinder is not made for the amount of grinding I do apparently, but the HF keeps eating steel and I lay on the grinder. I figure I'm not grinding unless I can hear the motor loading up.

Bottom line is you just can't go in to HF and cheap out. They do their best to accommodate to many price points. Honestly with some of these US manufacturers gouging Americans, I'm glad to see foreign manufacturers that fill a market that's being left out - the budget minded. Everything is too expensive anymore and it's good to have options.

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I've had the same thoughts...
I have yet to visit a HF store,the closest ones are 15 miles away,and both in towns with a not so great reputation as far as being "safe" there..
I have bought several HF items off a flea market dealer though,a 1/2" Earthquake impact gun and sockets,but nothing else yet...I do need a 4" angle grinder,and for $10,I will probably get two of them if I ever brave a trip to the stores..and I know I'll blow a LOT more money on other things while I'm there,that is one reason I've held off..

I would like to get one of their rolling tool chests they have in the coupons often for just under $200,before the prices goes up..my "tackle box" hip roof tool box cant hold all my tools ,nor can I pick it up any more..tired of having to empty it out to find a tool way at the bottom,not being able to close it,etc..

I fear it wont just be HF that will have prices go way up,so will all the things in other stores too,since we have gotten way too dependent on China to produce everything..and that might include food too!...been thinking I should have started a garden this year,and I'll be visiting farmers markets more too..
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No credit cards though!...so I can only look,but not buy..


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