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It makes no sense to build a 15 ft wall instead of 16 ft. You would save no money and have waste. Framing, paneling etc are dependent on 4 ft measurements. 4 panels equal 16 ft.....15 foot is still 4 panels with a foot cut off....Waste.

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I had a steel shed erected a few years ago.....double garage size w/extra depth. I poured the footings and that's the size it is.

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You could offer to do a 40 ft x 40 ft garden as final payment and then just plant a row or two of cantaloupe or watermellons and let them spread out. Tell him the tilled area doesn't matter only the plant coverage!!

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Here's what I think is going on. It's a Strongpanel pole barn. The steel sheets are sold in standard lengths like 8ft, 12ft, etc. The 36x36 barn has the shed on one side. He wanted the roof to come out "right". So pitch is (from memory) like a 12-4...you can walk on it (if you're careful), so roof panels are like 22 to 24ft one side, about 40ft the shed side (half of barn+shed). So my guess it was longest panel available (no overlapping).

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Here's what I think is going on. It's a Strongpanel pole barn. The steel sheets are sold in standard lengths like 8ft, 12ft, etc. The 36x36 barn has the shed on one side. He wanted the roof to come out "right". So pitch is (from memory) like a 12-4...you can walk on it (if you're careful), so roof panels are like 22 to 24ft one side, about 40ft the shed side (half of barn+shed). So my guess it was longest panel available (no overlapping).
Somehow, I don't think so. A steel roofing panel will expand and shrink according to the temperature, and roof panels do get a tad warm under the summer sun compared to overnight winter temps. A 12' long panel will measure almost 3/4" difference in length between the extremes of the temperature. For a 40' panel, it's more like 2.4" for a 150 F temperature differential.

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The steel sheets are sold in standard lengths like 8ft, 12ft, etc.

So my guess it was longest panel available (no overlapping).
Standard 5 rib panels (and most other shapes) are cut and pressed from roll stock. I've watched it being done. There is no standard or maximum length beyond what can be carried by truck.

I can order a 24' panel, or a 26' or a 33'. I can even order them at 24' 7" if I choose.


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A 12' long panel will measure almost 3/4" difference in length between the extremes of the temperature. For a 40' panel, it's more like 2.4" for a 150 F temperature differential.
I don't doubt there's some change, but I'm not sure how much. Remember, they're put down with about a #8 screw on 24" centers. The screw is self drilling so the hole is a tight fit, no room for movement.
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I don't doubt there's some change, but I'm not sure how much. Remember, they're put down with about a #8 screw on 24" centers. The screw is self drilling so the hole is a tight fit, no room for movement.
Sorry, misplaced decimal and wrong coefficient of expansion.

Actual length difference for a 12' pan is 0.156". For a 40' pan it's just over 1/2".

As you say, the holes for the screws will be tight, but the steel is still going to move. Something will have to give to compensate for that movement. Usually, the screws bend back and forth as the steel expands and shrinks, but sometimes the steel tears and makes oblong holes.

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Sorry, misplaced decimal and wrong coefficient of expansion.

Actual length difference for a 12' pan is 0.156". For a 40' pan it's just over 1/2".

As you say, the holes for the screws will be tight, but the steel is still going to move. Something will have to give to compensate for that movement. Usually, the screws bend back and forth as the steel expands and shrinks, but sometimes the steel tears and makes oblong holes.
The roof is white just like the garage. Garage was built over 30 years ago and there aren't any oblong holes or missing screw heads. They're about 2 1/2" long, rubber washer and metal washer.

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^^ The problem may be more hidden that that. Yes, there will be some movement and it's more likely that the screw wiggling will loosen in the wood underneath than mis-shape the hole in the metal. The washers will degrade in the Sun and heat. Eventually water can seep through the degraded washer and into the wallowed out screw hole in the wood. And so it begins.

I've looked at screws I put in 5 years ago and see the process in progress. On a roof, it's far less likely that anyone will inspect each screw. Even those that begin to leak may not show any real damage.

I have metal on most of my house and will be doing more in the next few weeks, but I have no idea if any of it is or will leak water into any living space.
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But back to the Nitty of the Gritty, what did they say? What did they say? It's been a couple of business days and we all wanna know!!!
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I'll probably know Monday. The guys didn't work yesterday and today, the main guy has a drag car and was racing.
Ok with me... I'm not in a hurry and it gave me a chance to bush hog, move their stuff around.
I'd rather have a more useful shed which would be 20-24ft x 36. I'll talk to the owner about it. Just more posts, rafters, then metal roof up under this a few feet overlap.
A 14 to 15ft x 36 ft shed isn't that useful. Extra 5-10 ft would make a huge difference and I have plenty of room.

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What a weird circumstance. Never heard a building being specced by roof size before.

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if they sell a "shed size" that is X by Y, but then say, "roof dimensions"..... roof dimensions is NOT shed size. Shed size is standardized by exterior wall dimensions - that's how the building permit is defined, and that's the law.... No contract between 2 independent parties is "above the law".

So go to town and ask for a copy of the plans / building permit.... it will probably state the actual shed size as defined by walls... then call the contractor on it and say: "I ordered and paid for a 36x16 but the permit you filed is for a 35x15 shed - what gives??"....

35x15 is 91.1% of 36x16 by area.... so tell him you will only pay the balance payment that adds up to the total of 91.1% of what you asked for, since that is all that you got.
Even in court, you will win this fight in a heart-beat... the official size is what's on the permit - not what he "tells you".

This whole case is equivalent to selling a car... if he sells you a car, and says it "made for 6 passengers"... but then he says, actual seating is for 5 (5 seat belts), the 6th person can easily lay down in the trunk - that doesnt work!!!... The car is certified for 5 passengers, not 6... Period. The definition is standardized by law.

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