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Ok, so back in November the wife and I bought our first house. Her dream house and, so far, my repair nightmare. Nothing major so far but a lot of minor things that could have been avoided if the owner had put some effort into it.
Anyway, the place has zero storage outside. For someone that has decoys, rods and reels, tackle boxes, a tractor and gardening tools galore this is unacceptable. I have explored different options and right now an open sided lean to building I build will be the best cheap option. I have built a few chicken coops and a few odds and ends but I wouldn't call myself even an amateur carpenter. Having said that I am confident with the help of the internet and some patience I can accomplish this. The plan is an 8x24 open front barn and possibly attaching the chicken coop and run to one end. The roof will be 10 ft in the front and 8 at the back. Posts sitting on concrete pillars. Some sort of siding and a cheap (relative term) metal roof. I would like the front to be unobstructed by any posts in the center but I have to wonder if an unsupported 24 ft span is a good idea. If I did it, what size header would I need for that span? Any other suggestions? Like I said, I am new to something this size so tips from someone more experienced would be great.

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Manufactured beam will get you there. Otherwise 2x12's and steel plate. Either way it will not be cheap.
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Just sayin', but don't understand why you would want the whole 24 ft of one side open. Isn't the weather going to blow in there? If it was me, I might leave 8 ft or so to pull the tractor in, but enclose the rest for your other stuff, tools, chicken coop etc. That way you don't have to worry about that large span.
Also, I might want to go deeper than 8 ft, a tractor with an implement on it is going to be 8ft plus. If you do want to go with 8ft deep, maybe make the opening in the 8ft end.

I know this is not quite the same, but I built those 8x18 ft for my daughter....with a pressure treated floor. Total was about 2 grand. The floor itself was almost 1/2 of that. If you are going to build yours on the ground, it shouldn't cost you too much. I didn't take pics with the siding on it.
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To get rid of a center support post its going to take a little engineering, and much more money.. Do you really need a 24' opening?? Also Im thinking you might find the 8' depth a little lacking. Id really be looking for 10-12 foot deep, with a 24' lengh. If your going to be pulling a tractor and attachments in, a little more depth will be your friend. it will also allow room to walk around, and work on stuff. I also kinda like the idea of closing in part of the building. Just kinda a little closed in room to keep tools, and stuff that you might not want just open to the weather. I guess I will you the term tack room like a horse stall would have.

Not looking to spend your money for you.. but just thinking of ways to make the building more usefull for the money you spend. And really, a 24x10, or 12 building is not a ton more work, or money then a 24x8, and a WHOLE lot more usefull.

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If you've never built anything, this is not something I would suggest as a first project.

You're not going to get an open 24' span inexpensively with a straight roofline. I've been pricing trusses recently and I can get a 24' span with a 4' rise for around $100 each. For an 8' depth, you'd need at least 3, probably 4, but that would give you more roof work to do.

If you really don't want a peaked roof, you don't want more than 8' or so between posts to hold the front roof edge up.
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I built a 44 by 28 cabin a few years ago. The 44 foot is the roof ridge line. I had to use laminated beam of 6x12 and that covered only 22 feet so there is a post in the middle. This was not cheap and weighs a LOT so a lift or crane is required for placement.

I wouldn't try that much span for two reasons. 1. a 24 foot span is going to sag. 2. wind coming under it is going to exert huge pressures to lift the roof off.

As others have said, you will regret that 8 feet depth. I'd at least double that and go with enclosing that front as others have said.

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Added thought. If you look on the web, I think there are sites that will calculate what type of truss or support is need for a given span. In any case, for 24 feet, you are well into heavily engineered stuff. Again, I'd opt for mid span support with full or partial enclosure.

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By itself, a 24' span is not unusual or difficult. My two car garage is 24 x 30 and they stick built the roof system on site. Hasn't sagged a bit in 20 years. If I decide to go ahead with rebuilding my shed into a bigger pole building type storage area, I'll be getting 26' 2x6s and do a similar site built roof. That will give me a 24' clear span with some overhangs.

But it's a typical 4/12 peaked roof, not a shed/lean to.
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This isn't meant to be a garage or pole barn. Just a place to back my tractor in to keep the seat out of the sun and snow and, since the garden will be near, a place to stash the tools.. With a bx, 8 feet will cover it pretty well. There is a guy up the road that has one that's pretty similar to what I am thinking of. After doing some reading and looking at some header calculators I realize the 24 ft span isn't possible without issues. I was looking at truss construction last night and am leaning toward that now, but until this weather straightens up, this all in theory. I just want to get something with a roof and later on if I decide to close some of it in I can do it.
Originally, the 8 ft depth was for simplicity's sake and economy.... 8 ft sheet of plywood to cover the roof and so on. When I started looking at trusses I got to thinking about making it 16 ft, so we shall see.

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Ok, so back in November the wife and I bought our first house. Her dream house and, so far, my repair nightmare. Nothing major so far but a lot of minor things that could have been avoided if the owner had put some effort into it.
Anyway, the place has zero storage outside. For someone that has decoys, rods and reels, tackle boxes, a tractor and gardening tools galore this is unacceptable. I have explored different options and right now an open sided lean to building I build will be the best cheap option. I have built a few chicken coops and a few odds and ends but I wouldn't call myself even an amateur carpenter. Having said that I am confident with the help of the internet and some patience I can accomplish this. The plan is an 8x24 open front barn and possibly attaching the chicken coop and run to one end. The roof will be 10 ft in the front and 8 at the back. Posts sitting on concrete pillars. Some sort of siding and a cheap (relative term) metal roof. I would like the front to be unobstructed by any posts in the center but I have to wonder if an unsupported 24 ft span is a good idea. If I did it, what size header would I need for that span? Any other suggestions? Like I said, I am new to something this size so tips from someone more experienced would be great.

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Here's a company with reasonable prices. They have carports and large pole barns. Check them out. They have a carport for $2445 that's 26 feet wide x 21 feet deep x 7 feet tall. I know you want 10 feet in the front but they can custom make it for you. I know they have 14 feet high ones.

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I think that something that size would attract the building department ( at least here it would)...check the code in your area and see if something like that is allowed....and if it is, what the minimum requirements would be for the material that you would choose....but as already said you would not be able to get whatever material that you would use for that span up there by yourself...and the effect of wind entering, getting trapped and having nowhere to go (post#6) would have an undesired effect on the roof...even with venting on rear wall

I do think it is a fine first project, though because a building like this does not have to be perfect and if you learn from your mistakes no one will see your errors ...unlike redoing your kitchen or living room.....rethink it and ask more questions for more ideas such as those presented to you here, and I believe that you will arrive at an acceptable design
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Ok, so back in November the wife and I bought our first house. Her dream house and, so far, my repair nightmare. Nothing major so far but a lot of minor things that could have been avoided if the owner had put some effort into it.
Anyway, the place has zero storage outside. For someone that has decoys, rods and reels, tackle boxes, a tractor and gardening tools galore this is unacceptable. I have explored different options and right now an open sided lean to building I build will be the best cheap option. I have built a few chicken coops and a few odds and ends but I wouldn't call myself even an amateur carpenter. Having said that I am confident with the help of the internet and some patience I can accomplish this. The plan is an 8x24 open front barn and possibly attaching the chicken coop and run to one end. The roof will be 10 ft in the front and 8 at the back. Posts sitting on concrete pillars. Some sort of siding and a cheap (relative term) metal roof. I would like the front to be unobstructed by any posts in the center but I have to wonder if an unsupported 24 ft span is a good idea. If I did it, what size header would I need for that span? Any other suggestions? Like I said, I am new to something this size so tips from someone more experienced would be great.

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This one is 26 feet x 26 feet x 10 feet high for $6715 and the sides are closed.
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You local library probably has several books on how to build sheds and garages. The same books are available for purchase at the big box hdwe stores. These stores also have shed kits available. Like everybody else, I would build something bigger or at least design it with future expansion in mind.
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I have looked into the metal carports and garages but not what I am looking for. Plus, I want a project.
Also, out in the county so don't have to worry about building inspectors or any of that mess.
The closed in back will be toward where the wind is unblocked. From the open front, the house will block the wind.

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Sounds like your mind is made up....consider some vents in the roof and back wall...but don't believe that the house will block the wind...I don't think you are in tornado country, but wind can be unpredictable
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