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post #1 of 32 Old 07-02-2016, 06:37 PM Thread Starter
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Horse shed to shelter to shop-like

When I got this place, there was an old shed that had once been used for horses. Not a real great place, 3 barnwood sides and a tin roof. The fourth side was just a tubular gate. Dirt floor with .... added stuff by the horses over the years.

Originally I didn't use it much since it was kind of creepy. After a while I just started shoving stuff in it I didn't want to get wet from rain.

A few years back, I went at it a bit. Tilled the dirt floor and rake it somewhere near level (not very close though), ran power to it, added a couple of light and outlets. Used a piece of dogear fence panel to close in the fourth side and cut 4' gates in both ends to move stuff in and out. Painted the outside and that was about it. At 12 x 16, it's been big enough to get both LTs, the Beast, tiller, shredder, 3 push mowers and two wheel barrows plus a few shovels, rakes, etc. under cover from weather.

But it's never been a place to do much in. Due to bad drainage from the surrounding area, the dirt floor gets wet easily and stays wet for days or weeks after a strong rain.

Last few days, I've been playing around out there.

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post #2 of 32 Old 07-02-2016, 06:51 PM Thread Starter
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Moved everything out and went at it with the tiller again to try and level things down some more and change the drainage pattern. Dug trenches around the outside and laid corrugated drain pipe on both ends. Laying concrete cap blocks on the one side that gets the flow to set my height and added some fiberglass paneling on the outside to help deflect the water. Short term plan is to pour concrete between them and on the outside of them to form a curb. Easier for me to do alone this way than setting forms and trying to pour the whole curb at once.

Inside, I'll do individual pads about 50 x 50 one or two at a time as I have time and gumption. Have to figure a way to work remesh so that the pads will be tied together when done. I only plan on doing two or three pads initially so I have a place to work on things if need be. Can't do a full pour because of where the shed is. No way to get a truck to it. Using a motorized cart between the truck and the shed would be a pain and added cost. So, I have to bag it and mix it. Concrete calculator tells me about 7 80# bags for each pad. I can carry about 10, maybe 12 at the most each trip and can't do more than one trip a day, so it's going to take some time.

I might try to arrange delivery if I can get a break on the delivery charge from somewhere. That would help on the number of trips, but would be a bigger chunk of change at one time which I might not be in a position to handle.

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Eventually, the plan is to add about 10' to one side. I hope to pull the old barnwood off and reuse it. Haven't decided what to do with the ends yet for the expansion. Might stay with the dogear fence panels since the one worked out. Might decide to go with metal panels since I'll have to get some for the roof anyways.

That phase won't happen right away, but I'm hoping to be able to do it by Spring.

I won't need to do anything more with power since that section will be for machine storage. Using a small solar panel setup to keep the batteries charged on all the machines.

The current area which will end up being more of the shop type area with the concrete floor has enough power to do the little bit of stuff I can handle. Will probably add a small compressor to have air out there instead of running a hose from the garage.

Also plan on beefing up the joists enough to be able to handle a chain fall. Might need to rig up a 4x4 that can be added in place when needed, but that can be removed so as not to be in the way all the time.

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Re: Horse shed to shelter to shop-like

I've got a similar structure here that I'm turning into a 4 bay tractor parking garage... Won't be getting concrete though... maybe gravel, but even that is questionable. It'll be just for parking, deck storage, push mower, stuff like that. Two bays are functional now. They were originally 4 dog kennels, I removed the two center walls to make 2 tractor sized bays. There are two more largeish sections that look like they were open stalls... Needs a metal roof over those to match the usable section. It already had power out there...

It's adjacent to another structure that's a small shop where I keep my saws, a storage room and a large carport attached. If I need to do major work on a tractor that would have to happen in my garage. Someday.... when there's room..... Hopefully.



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You have a plan ,,, my storage shed/ shop was built as I could afford it ,,over a 24 year time,,,,, 12x16 shed added a 10x20 ,,5 years later,,added a 12x16 ,,24 years after the original shed was built. Hobbies and finances changed over the years.
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Concrete is going in in strips as I can handle them. So far, 2 2' x 8' pads and 2 2' x 5' pads to form a U shape around the edge that's exposed to most of the drainage. Also set a curb along the 16' length and one of the 5' sides. Still need to do the other 5' side. Hauling, dumping, mixing and pouring 36 50 pound bags and a couple of 80 pounders have pretty much tapped out my energy for now though.

Dug in some 4" corrugated drain pipe on both of the short ends also. Will backfill the long side on the high side of the shed and cut a drain trench a foot or so away to lead in to the 4" pipes.

Once the muck inside dries more, I'll be able to till and rake it to fill in the center of the U level with the concrete. Who knows when (or IF) I'll get around to pouring that section. The point for now is to keep it dry and I'm hoping the perimeter pads will do that.

For now, it's a weird clay mass similar to PlayDough that sticks to everything; tiller, shovel, shoes, skin, itself, etc. When it's fully dry, it can be worked almost like sand, then compacted to form a halfways decent surface. When it's wet, it's something just short of quicksand and stuff sinks into it. With 6 or 8 inches of rain over a week or so, it got WET and it may be a few more days before it gets dry enough to till and rake.

Not sure when I'll get the fourth side knocked down and expanded. That may be Spring. Maybe over the Winter if it isn't a bad one.

The old barn wood isn't in good shape and there are gaps an inch wide or more between the boards that let all sorts of wind, bugs, birds and everything else between them. Thinking about covering them, but not sure about metal or vinyl since the cost doesn't seem to be too different.

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I like the look of old barn wood myself, for the texture/3D effect. If it were mine I would put an inside layer of plywood against the back of the barn wood and then saturate the outside and all the gaps with my choice of color. Yeah it's a lot of cuts to fit in between the wall studs, but to me the look would be worth the hassle.

If you ever wanted to insulate and add interior walls you would have a solid inside surface to insulate against. At that time I might use something like tyvek or vapor barrier inside to seal any gaps, then insulation, then inside wall on the studs.


I don't know if you are planning to go that far, I tend to try to think ahead. (Usually doesn't work out, but I try)

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... all the dirt the ugly dump cart is hauling is being used to raise and level the area beside the old shed to be used as the floor for the new section. I may not get it fully leveled, but it will be a lot closer than it is now.

Might pick up the 4 x 4s and some of the other materials this week so I can get started on it. I'd like to get the posts set so I can place a couple of 2 x 6s along them to pack this other dirt against and help keep it from washing if we get more rain before I can afford the roof.

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If you can get some old above ground swimming pools,the metal makes great roofing or siding material...

I have gotten a few locally I saw on craigslist for free,one was already rolled up and ready to haul,the other one I had to spend a few hours un-screwing and rolling it up--I used duct tape and ratchet straps to keep it rolled up for easy transport..
I was careful not to buckle up the metal..seems like at least one pool a day around here gets offered for free,people moving into homes that had them and do not want them due to liability or just want the space back..

I plan to use the sheet metal to cover the plywood walls on my quonset garage's end walls,which are now 23 years old and showing some signs of minor rot along the bottoms,woodpecker holes on the north end of the building,and I'm sick of the paint peeling off them every 2 years..this metal is galvanized and epoxy painted and will likely not rust while I'm still alive..one pool was only 10 years old !..

If I have enough metal left over I want to make a small open walled pole barn "roof" for my firewood or perhaps a shed to house some of my tractors and gain back the lost space in my garage they are taking up..

A friend of mine has a neighbor who works at a town dump,he got all the free water heaters he could haul home from him--used the white sheet metal covers for siding and roofing on his shed,and made some wood stoves and lawn tractor plow blades from the tanks also...he also has used sheet metal from appliances like fridges,washing machines ,stoves & clothes dryers for various projects,also made nice fire pits from the stainless steel drums in the washers..


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Got some new posts in. Moved the one side of old barnwood -- cut it in 4' sections and nailed them to 2x4s across the new posts. Moved the fence panel side and gate also. Had a few 6' metal roof sections that went on that one end which will give me white inside to help with light reflection.

Got the rafters up, but still need to work on the stringers and re-do the header between the new and the old.

Dirt floor is far more 'level;' than it was, but that isn't saying a whole lot. It still slopes quite a bit despite nearly a foot of fill. I may not worry about that area too much more and concentrate on getting the 'old' section leveled so I can work in there. The 'new' area will be for parking and storage mostly at least until I see how it works out and how much the dirt floor settles over time.

Decided I like the white inside walls, so I'll move the old barnwood end shown to the open space and get some more metal roof panels for that end. Need to add one more 4x4 post along that open end once I figure the gate and wall section sizes which will be based on the old barnwood.
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You are much further along with yours that I am with mine...


I haven't started yet.



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Looking good! I like the white walls too.

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Got the roof and sidewall metal and a few more boards yesterday. Boards up yesterday afternoon as supports for the rafters. Used a bunch of hurricane/rafter ties to make the roof section all basically one connected unit. Metal going on the roof this morning. Soft ground and ladders don't mix well though.

Just some fine tuning left. Need to take the one old wall off and move it, then hang the new metal in place of it.

Run wire for one outlet and rework some of the lighting.

Then one gate/door, but I'm not in a hurry for that. I have one in place and will leave the other side open for now. Makes for easy drive through access. Want it done before Winter though in case of blowing snow.

Then need to place some hardware cloth/screen to help keep the birds out.

Another phase later will be to hang some OSB on the inside of the one old wall and paint it white. That will give me three white sides around the work/shop area to help with lighting.

At some point later, I still need to lay more concrete as a work surface inside the current 'U' shaped perimeter. I may hold off until Spring on that though to see if what I have so far will keep the dirt floor dry.

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