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You can buy quarts and gallon cans of pure 92 octane gasoline in Farm stores and even Walmart. It's usually $4.99 a qt and $19.99 a gallon.

I buy the 50 mix for use in my chainsaw so that I don't have to worry about the Ethanol eating up my carbs.
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In the town near me there's a place that's all self serve that sells Bio diesel blends, diesel and the real gasoline.

I heard that the Premium gasoline you buy from the service station pumps has very little or no ethanol in it. When I get fuel for my mowers or chainsaws I always buy the Premium fuel.
I also believe Premium gas has less or no ethanol, in California.Premium has more thinners Tolene/zylene, makes cleaner burn.Never have problems with fuel.But, I also live in non-humid State,which probably helps a lot.I use Premium only,in small engines.
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It is not a matter of being too lazy to drive a little more for non ethanol gas for a lot of us...non ethanol gas is just not available in certain EPA regions, dictated by population. Tru Fuel..which is a fuel...but not gasoline is available for 20 bucks for a little less than 31/2 quarts at some Home Depots and Lowes
as far as 93 octane containing ethanol or not...it is just a matter of where it is sold...where it has to be reformulated ...it is...in non densely populated areas..it is ethanol free
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It is not a matter of being too lazy to drive a little more for non ethanol gas for a lot of us...non ethanol gas is just not available in certain EPA regions, dictated by population. Tru Fuel..which is a fuel...but not gasoline is available for 20 bucks for a little less than 31/2 quarts at some Home Depots and Lowes
as far as 93 octane containing ethanol or not...it is just a matter of where it is sold...where it has to be reformulated ...it is...in non densely populated areas..it is ethanol free
Fuel is all the same,in California,rural/urban
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For those looking for non-ethanol gas I found this site. It's accurate for my town. Looks like Long Island NY is a no-go.

https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp

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You can buy quarts and gallon cans of pure 92 octane gasoline in Farm stores and even Walmart. It's usually $4.99 a qt and $19.99 a gallon.

I buy the 50 mix for use in my chainsaw so that I don't have to worry about the Ethanol eating up my carbs.
As I have said before, It never ceases to amuse me the trouble and expense people go to. We have 9 pc of equipment with small engines both 2 and 4 cycle. Only ethanol fuel has been available here for over 20 years and I never worry about fuel. What is in the tank at season end is what is there to start the new season and also in my gas can. Never had a problem with carbs, starting nor running. I think ethanol phobia is mostly in the head. Oh I think I got better mileage on non-ethanol but sure not going to pay $20 a gal for it.

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You can buy quarts and gallon cans of pure 92 octane gasoline in Farm stores and even Walmart. It's usually $4.99 a qt and $19.99 a gallon.

I buy the 50 mix for use in my chainsaw so that I don't have to worry about the Ethanol eating up my carbs.
As I have said before, It never ceases to amuse me the trouble and expense people go to. We have 9 pc of equipment with small engines both 2 and 4 cycle. Only ethanol fuel has been available here for over 20 years and I never worry about fuel. What is in the tank at season end is what is there to start the new season and also in my gas can. Never had a problem with carbs, starting nor running. I think ethanol phobia is mostly in the head. Oh I think I got better mileage on non-ethanol but sure not going to pay $20 a gal for it.

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I would have agreed with you 100% until a couple weeks ago. I put new fuel lines on my chainsaw and let ethanol gas with Stabil sit in for a few months--can't remember if 3-5 or so.
It wouldnt start. The new fuel line in the tank was mush and the filter fell off the split line. Line split again when I cut and reinstalled the filter.

Now I did put a small splash of Seafoam in it so that may be a factor but I have 91 octane non-ethanol available at my watering hole. Mower will get corn gas, chainsaw will get no alcohol from now on and I will not let any sit in it.

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It all boils down to a "Throw away Society" the sheet metal that they are using in the mower decks is pure crap, if you were to stand on a new mower the deck would warp, plastic wheels that will break if you don't turn without lifting the rear of the machine, I have worked at a small engine shop where air cleaners are so caked with crap that you couldn't blow compressed air through them, some people are lazy and un-informed, I guess the old saying if it ain't broke then don't fix it comes to mind, but if you want your equipment to last then take the time to maintain it and that means changing the oil.
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It all boils down to a "Throw away Society" the sheet metal that they are using in the mower decks is pure crap, if you were to stand on a new mower the deck would warp, plastic wheels that will break if you don't turn without lifting the rear of the machine, I have worked at a small engine shop where air cleaners are so caked with crap that you couldn't blow compressed air through them, some people are lazy and un-informed, I guess the old saying if it ain't broke then don't fix it comes to mind, but if you want your equipment to last then take the time to maintain it and that means changing the oil.
Lol. They guy who owned my Cub 3240 was a pioneer of new tractor maintenance by golly. Here's the oil and air filters
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I would have agreed with you 100% until a couple weeks ago. I put new fuel lines on my chainsaw and let ethanol gas with Stabil sit in for a few months--can't remember if 3-5 or so.
It wouldnt start. The new fuel line in the tank was mush and the filter fell off the split line. Line split again when I cut and reinstalled the filter.

Now I did put a small splash of Seafoam in it so that may be a factor but I have 91 octane non-ethanol available at my watering hole. Mower will get corn gas, chainsaw will get no alcohol from now on and I will not let any sit in it.
It's like the old saying goes you can pay me now or pay me later. The last thing I want to do is be out in the middle of a woods about 10 miles from home and have my chainsaw quit or not start because of gasoline problems.

The quart or gallon cans of premix are worth it to me, but everyone has there own opinion.
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I have used straight ethanol without any problems and no additives for so many years with none of the horror stories I see here that I could throw all of the machines way and be money ahead from using expensive stuff people talk about. I even had a 60+ year old Wisconsin AKN that I ran on ethanol until selling it last year. Maybe some of you need to use a different brand of gas. I keep ethanol year to year.

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I have used straight ethanol without any problems and no additives for so many years with none of the horror stories I see here that I could throw all of the machines way and be money ahead from using expensive stuff people talk about. I even had a 60+ year old Wisconsin AKN that I ran on ethanol until selling it last year. Maybe some of you need to use a different brand of gas. I keep ethanol year to year.

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I'm hearing outrageous prices for quart of more octane than you need. Rediculous! No way, with the 12 acres I mow would I pay that price! I've had "corn gas" go bad in two cars about 25 years ago. These were classic cars ('56 Ford & '57 Chevrolet). Granted they didn't get heavy use as do my car and truck today. I go through about 20 gallons of gas/month in my small engines now and regular, unleaded, unCORNED gas is available here in Tennessee for about $1 more per gallon. Well worth the price. I get it at the local station (out in the country) about 1/2 mile from my house.

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The blend of ethanol and gasoline is what causes all the trouble. Since ethanol will readily mix with either oil or water, but water and oil won't mix.

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The new fuel line in the tank was mush and the filter fell off the split line. Line split again when I cut and reinstalled the filter.
I'm curious how you can justify using a fuel line that clearly wasn't rated for modern fuel? Sound more like user error, and then blaming it on the fuel rather than their own screwup.

I've used E10 for a few decades and never had a single fuel related issue with any large or small engine because of it. I always use Stabil to keep the fuel stabilized (I'd do the same if I used non-ethanol fuel). I have a chainsaw that hasn't been run for a couple of years that started without a single problem with stabilized E10 in it.
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I'm curious how you can justify using a fuel line that clearly wasn't rated for modern fuel? Sound more like user error, and then blaming it on the fuel rather than their own screwup.

I've used E10 for a few decades and never had a single fuel related issue with any large or small engine because of it. I always use Stabil to keep the fuel stabilized (I'd do the same if I used non-ethanol fuel). I have a chainsaw that hasn't been run for a couple of years that started without a single problem with stabilized E10 in it.
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