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post #46 of 65 Old 01-06-2019, 10:37 AM
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Traction for braking and pulling are directly related. If the braking was less effective so was the traction for pulling. With the trailer mounted on a hitch on the rear of the tractor, the tongue weight would compensate for the lack of the liquid ballast.

Trailers on asphalt pull quite easily. With a dolly wheel under the coupling, they can usually be hand pushed on level asphalt by two or three men.
Correct. The only thing we ever used it for was pulling trailers, so there was always weight on the hitch when we needed to pull. It doesn't take much to get the tractor itself moving, but it sure was tough to stop it with no weight on the back tires, especially after some idiot removed the little locking mechanism that held the brake pedals together so it was tough to use both brakes. Stopping the tractor with a trailer attached was easier than with no trailer. It was best to not drive like an idiot either way.

I heard some time after I left the employ of the company the owner's son was hurt pretty bad in an accident when the hitch broke & he got crushed moving a 5th wheel. I thought he was one of the more careful drivers, too. Accidents can and did happen.

We had a little dolly for moving travel trailer around in the showrooom, but that's about all it was good for. It was pretty much useless on our 1,000' long unlevel parking lot and for 5th wheels. Sure was a bear getting a tandem axle trailer to turn using that dolly. Sure... You could take off two of the trailer's tires and it would spin right around, but that just wasn't practical when we would move 100 trailers twice some days (snow plowing the lot...). We had up to 300 trailers in stock at some points at multiple lots. One of our storage facilities may have had up to 700 trailers. We used the dolly at indoor mall shows also. It's a little tough to get an 8,000 lb travel trailer moving with less than 3 people, and even more difficult getting it to stop quickly... It was way easier with the tractor.


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At the shop, we only use calcium chloride flakes mixed with water to make our own solution for larger tires. Farmers around here hate rim guard and we hate working with it.. But the trick to rust prevention is to use a tube designed for filling tires, then the rim will never rust. If a leak happens, the calcium is recovered, wheel cleaned, tube patched, re installed, and back on the tractor it goes.

For smaller tires, we have a methanol concentrate
Not true... All the problem rims I had had tubes in them.
Something small puts a hole in the tube and the calcium
gets between the rim and the tube and does the damage
before you know it...


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I would use a 12" radial tire tube instead of the typical "garden tractor & ATV" type--they are a lot thicker rubber and resist chafing or punctures better than one intended for a bias ply car tire or lawn & garden equipment..

I haven't used calcium ever since the rear tire on my Ford 641 tractor decided to pop and spill almost all of it on the ground in my wooded back yard..it killed a pine tree that was lush and green in less than a week,it was all dried up and broke off like it was dead for 20 years and lighter than balsa wood when I leaned against it!..
It also burned a circular area in the ground where nothing would grow for at least 5 years..works better than round-up!..

I have used windshield washer fluid or RV antifreeze,or used auto coolant for liquid ballast since then..the car stuff is toxic,but you can get all you want for free at many local salvage yards..and its not that often you get a puncture and lose any..


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I haven't used calcium ever since the rear tire on my Ford 641 tractor decided to pop and spill almost all of it......the car stuff is toxic,but you can get all you want for free at many local salvage yards..and its not that often you get a puncture and lose any..
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But when it does.
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We had a little dolly for moving travel trailer around in the showrooom, but that's about all it was good for. It was pretty much useless on our 1,000' long unlevel parking lot and for 5th wheels. Sure was a bear getting a tandem axle trailer to turn using that dolly.
That's like my first job at a marina - the showroom was quite narrow and to make the cut in with bigger boats the much smaller turning radius of a tractor was awesome, often times with the tractor just barely scraping the far door post to make the boat pivot tight enough to get it near the walls.

We had a B6200 4 wheel Kubota which was about as small as you could get and still have enough juice to move those trailers around - the owner had one of the trailer guys remove the FEL and make a bracket that took the 5th wheel at the top, took regular balls down below, and had 2 big swiveling casters like tail wheels from a rotary cutter. That way you could put some of the weight of the trailer on the ground and get traction/take it off the front axle. Same in the back only it was a 3 point weight bracket with a caster underneath - you'd lift the 3PH to get more traction and lower it to get the front wheels down on the ground.

That thing got worked hard, worst part was that this marina was on a pretty big lake, plenty of large offshore type boats stored there and lots of those owners participated in a program where the marina stored your boat on the trailer, but if you called we had 1 hour to have it launched, fueled and ready to use. Of course that meant people would call on days when the shop truck was out on the road and you would be launching 40' 10,000 boat using a 1200 lb tractor. You really couldn't "brake" that load on the ramp or it would just pull you back into the water until the boat started to float, so we'd put a good long bow line on it, line up and go for it, once the boat started to float off the trailer you'd hit the brake set the parking jump off and start hauling on the rope to keep the boat from floating back into the mooring pier. The guy on board would hopefully get it fired up and be able to take it away but occasionally you'd have a no-start. Fun times.

That thing had full ballast, wheel weights, a rear and front weight bracket. Probably 1200 pounds of tractor and 600 pounds of ballast.
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I may be late to the game on this reply and have not read through every post, so someone else may have made this suggestion, if so, I apologize for the redundancy.

If you are not going to have the wheels done by a professional/commercial using commercial grade products specifically designed for this purpose, I would recommend using "Marine Safe Antifreeze". The benefits of this aside from resisting freezing are (1) that it has a rust inhibitor in it. and (2) in the event the tires leak again (when the tires leak again, because eventually they will), you won't have to worry about accidentally poisoning your dog/cat and other animals if one of them finds the leak before you do.
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I may be late to the game on this reply and have not read through every post, so someone else may have made this suggestion, if so, I apologize for the redundancy.

If you are not going to have the wheels done by a professional/commercial using commercial grade products specifically designed for this purpose, I would recommend using "Marine Safe Antifreeze". The benefits of this aside from resisting freezing are (1) that it has a rust inhibitor in it. and (2) in the event the tires leak again (when the tires leak again, because eventually they will), you won't have to worry about accidentally poisoning your dog/cat and other animals if one of them finds the leak before you do.
Too late,today i received my order of water soluable petroleum oil,anti rust additive.Read warning lable,low toxic IMO.My plan is to install water/anti-rust mix(32:1) with a 12v fuel pump.
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Too late,today i received my order of water soluable petroleum oil,anti rust additive.Read warning lable,low toxic IMO.My plan is to install water/anti-rust mix(32:1) with a 12v fuel pump.
that will take forever. Break the bead and pour/ siphon it in. rotate valve to top and reinflate. Fluid pumps for tires have a bleed valve to let air out, as well as a special valve stem.
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that will take forever. Break the bead and pour/ siphon it in. rotate valve to top and reinflate. Fluid pumps for tires have a bleed valve to let air out, as well as a special valve stem.
My plan is to step down tubing from 3/8 to 1/8in commercial drip irrigation tubing.Hopefully, it fits ID. of valve stem,and leaks air out at the same time.
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My plan is to step down tubing from 3/8 to 1/8in commercial drip irrigation tubing.Hopefully, it fits ID. of valve stem,and leaks air out at the same time.
at some point u will have to let the air out or burpin the tire of air.. if ur hose feedin the valve has any holes in it.. the water will come out of the holes..


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at some point u will have to let the air out or burpin the tire of air.. if ur hose feedin the valve has any holes in it.. the water will come out of the holes..
I got a lesson today on getting the air out,i cant even get the old water out .I can see why some say ,just break the bead.But first,i will install a inline side valve,to burp air.Bigger job than I thought,i know I got the parts.

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If I were doing this again I'd drill the rim for a second valve stem 180 degrees to the first. Use my vacuum pump on top and siphon into the bottom.

You could probably get a large tube that slips over the stem. Then drill hole through that at put something like a stirring straw in through the hole down the stem into the tire silicone around the straw to seal to tube. Pump on air would evacuate through that straw.

To drain you can use a blow nozzle stem down core out and lower tractor onto tire or run a ratchet strap to squeeze out fluid.

Blow nozzle to put air into tire can help avoid the suction keeping the ballast in. You can just blow right into the stem till the tire inflates then let it blow out fluid repeat.
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If I were doing this again I'd drill the rim for a second valve stem 180 degrees to the first. Use my vacuum pump on top and siphon into the bottom.

You could probably get a large tube that slips over the stem. Then drill hole through that at put something like a stirring straw in through the hole down the stem into the tire silicone around the straw to seal to tube. Pump on air would evacuate through that straw.

To drain you can use a blow nozzle stem down core out and lower tractor onto tire or run a ratchet strap to squeeze out fluid.

Blow nozzle to put air into tire can help avoid the suction keeping the ballast in. You can just blow right into the stem till the tire inflates then let it blow out fluid repeat.
Blow nozzle/repeat,makes sense now.One tire was way over inflated,and a lot of water came out at first.other tire,not much came out.Thanks P B G
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Air nozzle worked great, to get water out of tires.Bigger fuel pump would have made job alot faster,but its done.
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Just an FYI, some pesticide sprayers have tips that are the same size as a schrader valve and you could pump fluid in with one
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