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post #1 of 19 Old 09-23-2019, 05:02 PM Thread Starter
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Experience With High Quality Hand Tools: Genius Tools

Gentlemen: Genius Tools are every bit as good as that super expensive brand. I bought sockets from Genius. Very tight fit, the swivel action (they were universal sockets) was firm and controlled. Didn't flop all over the place. I keep these tools in a salt water environment, no rusting on them. I am planning on buying more tools from them. Hard to find, but worth the effort, especially when the price is less than half of the white and red trucks.

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Unfortunately, they don't have the courtesy to list the price for their products on their web site... And 1/2 the price of what tool trucks charge is still generally crazy money, unless you are wrenching 8 hrs a day.

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I might have a few tools from a red and white truck. From 1/4 in drive to 1 in drive, mostly all impact.
I've only had to replace 2 sockets in 25 + years of service. A 9/16 and a 13mm. And yes, everything is used everyday all day.
I cant afford broken tools, broken tools is lost time on a job. Lost time means less in my paycheck.

So, get back to me in 25 years or more, I'll bet my sockets from the red and white truck are still working. Course, I'll be dead by then, but my sockets, and tools will live on, lol.
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Re: Experience With High Quality Hand Tools: Genius Tools

Honestly never heard of Genius. And I don't live to far off the grid (I don't think).

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As a homeowner and hobby mechanic who tends to do tons of work in his garage, I am constantly (for no good reason because I have too many tools) looking at other brands etc. My problem with that red/white truck was that it didn't come to my house and when a 13mm cracked, I needed a replacement immediately with no truck in sight. Now.. does that mean that any other tool maker was that quick to replace their stuff, Sears was a mile away and honestly for the cost of their tools it worked well for me. With Sears gone, I don't have an easy replacement locally unless I'm looking at the auto parts store brands.

Back to the topic as I often stray and tell the longest story, took a quick look at Genius and noticed that their reviews seem to be mainly very good. Prices are listed on Amazon/Ebay. I haven't tried their tools and honestly their ratcheting wrenches to appear over priced, maybe one day I'll try them out.

Afterall I did buy an indexing prybar that extends to 4ft and absolutely love it. May have helped that it was listed incorrect for half price and the seller honored that, it's still a spectacular prybar that I am unsure how more people don't own.

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I might have a few tools from a red and white truck. From 1/4 in drive to 1 in drive, mostly all impact.
I've only had to replace 2 sockets in 25 + years of service. A 9/16 and a 13mm. And yes, everything is used everyday all day.
I cant afford broken tools, broken tools is lost time on a job. Lost time means less in my paycheck.

So, get back to me in 25 years or more, I'll bet my sockets from the red and white truck are still working. Course, I'll be dead by then, but my sockets, and tools will live on, lol.
I bought one socket off of the red and white truck in the early '70s because Sears did not have it at the time (13mm, deep, 12 pt). The chrome cracked on the first use and cut my fingers on the second. Not impressed and never bought another.

I was in industrial maintenance for 30 years and only bought Craftsman tools for that job. I have one 1-1/8" socket that was used so much that it is now 1/8" shorter than original. I estimate that it loosened or tightened over 160,000 bolts on the end of a long handled flex head ratchet in my career and still fit the hexes properly when I retired.

If a socket from one of my sets broke, well, I had to drive by Sears on the way home from work anyway, and it was no real inconvenience to stop in for a replacement. Trying to catch the red and white truck was a waste of time.

At home, I have 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", and 3/4" drive socket sets with standard and deep sockets in the smaller 3 sets. If a socket broke, there were options to keep the job on track until I could get to Sears. Now my work tools are also at home providing triplicates for the most used 3/8" and 1/2" drive socket sizes.

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Re: Experience With High Quality Hand Tools: Genius Tools

Here in Canada, Canadian Tire's MasterCraft and MasterCraft Maximum tools works well for me.I've bought a bunch of sets from them. And they do the Sears thing, where you just present them with the busted tool and they hand you a new one. Regular price isn't great, but they go on sale all the time...
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I have some Snap-On and Mac sockets and wrenches--if one breaks,I have to give them to my friend who has an auto repair shop and deals with the Snap-On guy to get them replaced--if I tried walking up to the tool truck and asked for a replacement under warranty,the guy would say "when you have an account with me,I can help you--otherwise,sorry"..my friend buys thousands of bucks worth of tools every year,so he doesn't give him any arguments..

...some of the tools I tried getting replaced were "no longer available" and I didn't always get another similar one that would do the job ..

I have heard Lowe's will exchange defective Craftsman tools now that they took on that line..I have a box full of busted Craftsman sockets,ratchets with no ball bearing to keep sockets from dropping off,etc--I may ask next time I go to Lowe's if that is true,if so I'll be lugging them in for a free replacement..
Ace Hardware also carries Craftsman here,but they want proof of purchase,if you did not buy the tool there they wont do anything for you,at least the store closest to me anyway..


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I have some Snap-On and Mac sockets and wrenches--if one breaks,I have to give them to my friend who has an auto repair shop and deals with the Snap-On guy to get them replaced--if I tried walking up to the tool truck and asked for a replacement under warranty,the guy would say "when you have an account with me,I can help you--otherwise,sorry"..my friend buys thousands of bucks worth of tools every year,so he doesn't give him any arguments..

...some of the tools I tried getting replaced were "no longer available" and I didn't always get another similar one that would do the job ..

I have heard Lowe's will exchange defective Craftsman tools now that they took on that line..I have a box full of busted Craftsman sockets,ratchets with no ball bearing to keep sockets from dropping off,etc--I may ask next time I go to Lowe's if that is true,if so I'll be lugging them in for a free replacement..
Ace Hardware also carries Craftsman here,but they want proof of purchase,if you did not buy the tool there they wont do anything for you,at least the store closest to me anyway..

That was my experience with snapon also. And I worked in a dealer, and knew the guy.... I just had the tech's swap it out for me.

I haven't heard of genius tools before.. Ill have to check them out.

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Unfortunately, they don't have the balls to list the price for their products on their web site... And 1/2 the price of what tool trucks charge is still generally crazy money, unless you are wrenching 8 hrs a day.
Wonder if that's because you are in Canada and they don't want to take into account the changing exchange rate. The USA site https://www.geniustoolsusa.com/ does list all the prices. Looking at the Canadian site Genius Tools | Canada's TOP Hand Tools Manufacturer they seem to want you to produce a prospective order for quote purposes.
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Information is quite sparse on Genius Tools. Made in Taiwan for the most part.

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The guy who used to drive the Snap-On truck to my friends shop ended up quitting--they wanted him to "upgrade" to a larger brand new truck,with an inventory of 100,000 dollars worth of tools...he wasn't willing to risk that big an investment,and they were not really interested in keeping him on with his current inventory & truck,which I think he has to pay for...also he'd been burned by many customers that bought big tool boxes and expensive tools and then vanished..

He now drives a truck for the "Gear-Wrench" tool company,which I was unaware even existed till I saw his new truck at my friends shop not long ago..says they are much better to work for ..


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I think folks get caught up in that "buy the best" mantra and end up getting in over their heads on the tool trucks as you can ring up a crazy high bill easily. People don't really think about part of the high cost of tool truck tools isn't that they are necessarily "the best" but that the finance charge is added into the cost of the tools.

I wrenched for 20 years and have a bunch of tools. I bought all the Craftsman stuff I could get and only bought tool truck stuff when I couldn't get it as Craftsman or if Craftsman wouldn't do what I needed it to--I bought Mac long wrenches and Snap-on short ones.

None of the tool truck air tools were as good as CP so I had all CP air tools. I bought China impact sockets and replaced the ones I broke or wore out with Craftsman, Cornwell, or Snap-on. Still have the China ones you don't use much--13/16, 11/16. The Cornwell sockets were always breaking and I ended up mailing one in after the Cornwell guy died. Started with Cornwell wrenches and traded them for Mac after I broke the box end on a couple loosening rusted truck frame bolts.

I worked with a kid who had to have "the best". Had a huge Snap-on box which was empty as the box was all he could afford. Was always borrowing my stuff. He later traded his huge empty box for a larger, emptier Snap-on box--*facepalm*

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Many of the expensive Snap-On tools my friend has bought didn't hold up as well as he hoped,considering their cost..

A 1/2" air impact gun he bought with over 1000 ft/lbs torque quickly became his favorite,if that thing failed to loosen something,nothing else would..

But after 6 months or so of daily use,it ended up losing power and then locked up completely,and he takes care of his tools,air tools he oils frequently and keeps them clean,and his compressor has a water separator and it gets drained every few weeks..

When he gave it to the Snap-On guy to get it repaired,he didn't get it back for almost 2 months,and he'd paid over $500 for it,the repair bill came to about half its original cost..
It now works as well as it ever did,but he's not planning on buying another one from Snap-On..

He's been burned on other tools he bought off the truck--one was a stud remover he paid $150 for,and a week later he sees the exact same brand of tool in 2 places--an Autozone store,and a flea market,for $20!..he paid $75 for the Snap-On one,and there was "no warranty" once it failed..it was imported too,not USA made!..

Even if you spend thousands on tools from a tool truck,your chances of getting a replacement under warranty is "iffy" at best too..most of the sockets he ends up cracking ,are "not in stock" when the truck comes again,and have to be ordered,and they always seem to have some excuse to not replace a costly tool that could be repaired,forcing him to wait weeks for them to determine it wasn't due to "abuse" ,then get it fixed and returned--many air impacts he paid a lot for were "no longer available" after a few years when they needed parts or a rebuild too..

Stores like Harbor Freight that just hand over another new tool without the third degree will likely become more popular around here now that they have opened several new stores nearby...granted some of their stuff isn't exactly great quality,but the same can be said for many tool truck brands too,at much higher cost..
I can't see paying $200 for a set of a dozen 1/4" drive sockets from Snap -On when you can buy them for $10,it's not like your going to put 200 ft/lbs of torque on a 1/4" socket..some tools my friend buys like that are ridiculously expensive,and I'm not sure if it is just for "bragging rights" or what,it just seems a waste of money to me..
Ditto for a tool box on wheels you can get for $200 at HF,when Snap On ones cost $1000 for a similar one--does a homeowner really need a $1000 tool box when a $200 one is "good enough"?..


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Many of the expensive Snap-On tools my friend has bought didn't hold up as well as he hoped,considering their cost..

A 1/2" air impact gun he bought with over 1000 ft/lbs torque quickly became his favorite,if that thing failed to loosen something,nothing else would..

But after 6 months or so of daily use,it ended up losing power and then locked up completely,and he takes care of his tools,air tools he oils frequently and keeps them clean,and his compressor has a water separator and it gets drained every few weeks..

When he gave it to the Snap-On guy to get it repaired,he didn't get it back for almost 2 months,and he'd paid over $500 for it,the repair bill came to about half its original cost..
It now works as well as it ever did,but he's not planning on buying another one from Snap-On..

He's been burned on other tools he bought off the truck--one was a stud remover he paid $150 for,and a week later he sees the exact same brand of tool in 2 places--an Autozone store,and a flea market,for $20!..he paid $75 for the Snap-On one,and there was "no warranty" once it failed..it was imported too,not USA made!..

Even if you spend thousands on tools from a tool truck,your chances of getting a replacement under warranty is "iffy" at best too..most of the sockets he ends up cracking ,are "not in stock" when the truck comes again,and have to be ordered,and they always seem to have some excuse to not replace a costly tool that could be repaired,forcing him to wait weeks for them to determine it wasn't due to "abuse" ,then get it fixed and returned--many air impacts he paid a lot for were "no longer available" after a few years when they needed parts or a rebuild too..

Stores like Harbor Freight that just hand over another new tool without the third degree will likely become more popular around here now that they have opened several new stores nearby...granted some of their stuff isn't exactly great quality,but the same can be said for many tool truck brands too,at much higher cost..
I can't see paying $200 for a set of a dozen 1/4" drive sockets from Snap -On when you can buy them for $10,it's not like your going to put 200 ft/lbs of torque on a 1/4" socket..some tools my friend buys like that are ridiculously expensive,and I'm not sure if it is just for "bragging rights" or what,it just seems a waste of money to me..
Ditto for a tool box on wheels you can get for $200 at HF,when Snap On ones cost $1000 for a similar one--does a homeowner really need a $1000 tool box when a $200 one is "good enough"?..
That exactly sums up my experience with Snap-on also. I spent a lot of money over the years for tools but for some strange reason I only had a Snap-on dealer at only one shop I worked on right after I came out of the Air Force and that was the tire store I owned. One of my mechanics had a account and owed the guy money so weekly visits. One the mechanic paid him off no more Snap-on dealer. I also had the thing I would not pay thousands of dollars for a steel cabinet to store tools when a several hundred dollar cabinet would do the same thing.

I got the cheap attitude from the Air Force and the low bid environment and learned that fugal was the way to go on the tool box after all it only stores the tools. I did buy professional level tools when I went from the Air Force to civilian world but then I also did a low bid and ended up buying a complete set of basic hand tools from Bonney. They had similar quality back in 1983 as the major brands (Snap-on, Mac, Matco and Cornwell) but around 1/2 to 2/3rd the cost of the majors.

After I retired the tools came home and 90% of my Bonney tools were still with me and I then started on eBay to rebuild my Bonney toolset as Bonney went out of business in 1995 so no lifetime warranty as the tool division of the company (after three different owners in 20 plus years the final owner pulled the plug) is now gone.

My experience with the Bonney tools working for 30 plus years was they were excellent tools and stood up well as I only broke three items over the years and that was a flex head ratchet and 2 sockets. The rest of the tools went missing over the years were either borrowed or swiped by persons unknown. I did recover a set of crowfoots that were stolen and found in a pawn shop and after showing the marks I put on and showing a police report of the theft I got them back.

My attitude today is go as cheap as you can then go up one level if anything breaks. I have been using a set of Hazzard Fright impact sockets for the last ten years and they are still in amazing shape. They still work fine and the price was cheap but they still fit the bolt nut and take it off without a issue.

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