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post #1 of 21 Old 08-27-2013, 05:12 PM Thread Starter
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Unfortunate situation. 8N

After spending a few weeks here, getting to know my 8N with the help of the people on this forum, it was running perfectly.

Did everything it was supposed to.....and then...

A squirrel decided the engine would be a good place to eat some juniper berries, the dog didn't like that much and proceeded to have a look around up there. The wiring was in her way so she removed them, plug wires, coil, everything, even separated the ignition switch she pulled so hard on the wiring.

I bought new wires and installed them. She pulled so hard on the wires it cocked the dist cap and when I went to start it the cap and rotor crashed and destroyed both. So I put on a new cap and rotor too. REwired all the stuff that got torn out. Still didn't run right so I thought maybe the points got whacked and they were a little worn anyways, so I replaced points and condenser too. Still doesn't run right. Or at all I should say. I'm barely getting any response from the engine at all.

At this point I'm at a total loss as for what to do next, I"ve already done everything but fix the problem. Maybe the coil wire is grounding out on the dist?
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did it maybe move the distributor and throw the timing all whacky?

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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

I assume that this is a later 8N with the distributor mounted on the side of the engine, not the earlier 8N with the distributor mounted on the front of the engine.

I would check the low tension (skinny) wire from the small post on the coil to the bottom of the distributor. That wire should go through a hole in the side of the distributor and connect to the isolated side of the points. Make sure that the insulation on that wire is still good and not allowing the wire to short to ground where it goes through the hole on the side of the base of the distributor..

Then, take the dog out back and shoot it.

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did it maybe move the distributor and throw the timing all whacky?
Good call. I noticed it wasn't right but didn't put two n two together.

The cap has a 1 on it and it was spun around about 180 deg. That didn't matter to me I just put the #1 wire where the #1 should be, closest to the front plug.

That didn't work. So I spun it around where it should be, put the plug wires where they should be and set the timing per the manual and expected it would spin right up, it did not.

Yes it is a side mount. 1952.

Redneck: Thanks, I probably will replace the wire, it may be stretched inside or ?

The dog, she has a new name that the language filter won't allow. Rhymes with "blunt face". Dang dog.
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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

Not to insult but have to ask, are you sure you got the plug wires on in the correct order? The N will start and run (not well) on two cylinders when wires have been crossed. Also the cap should fit correctly only one way, there is a notch on the dizzy that it is suppose to line up with a key in the cap. Oh and shoot the squirrel.
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Yup, wires on not only on right but new as well. Notch is lined up, timed perfect. replace the dist wire. No love.

At this point, I'm done with this thing. Not happy is an understatement. That dog better hope that tractor runs pretty **** soon!
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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

I do appreciate all the help, I really do.

But at this point I've pulled all my tools away from it. it's done. Mechanically sound but the electrical has a problem that I'm not willing to deal with right now.

It will sit there and rot until I get some ambition to get it running. But I don't expect that to happen any time soon.

It ran so sweet, and now it will not run worth a crap.

Again, thanks for the help.

Anyone want to buy this thing? In Acton, CA. (So, cal.)
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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

Reach down, grab a pair and go fix your tractor. We'll help you through this.

At this point, I believe you should verify the distributor is timed properly.

MECHANICAL TIMING
Depending on how you mesh the gears on distributor drive, #1 can be any one of the 4 holes & rotor can be pointing anywhere you want. That "pointing toward the head" business means absolutely nothing, other than perhaps that is the way it was done for the picture.

Remove #1 spark plug. With ignition off, place thumb or finger over the #1 spark plug hole and crank slowly until compression is felt.

Continue to crank the engine until the timing mark, 0 (top dead center) on the flywheel is found in the timing window on the right side of flywheel housing. NOTE: Flywheel is calibrated from 0 to 20 in two places, 180 apart. You want the mark for TDC compression stroke. Use a screw driver on the flywheel starter ring gear to rotate to exactly align the 4 mark with the pointer.

Insert the distributor assembly with the gears fully meshed, the rotor should point to the right front cylinder head bolt.

The important aspect is that rotor points to hole where #1 wire is plugged in. If not, remove and re-engage until the proper rotor position is obtained. This assumes that the No. 1 plug wire is in the distributor cap socket in line with the right front cylinder head bolt.

Rotate the distributor housing counter clockwise until the breaker points are closed.

Install the distributor cap; connect the primary, secondary and #1 spark plug wires.

Hold the end of #1 spark plug wire approximately 1/8" from the cylinder head or manifold with the ignition "on", and then slowly rotate the distributor housing clockwise until a spark occurs - The spark should occur in less than 1/8 turn of the distributor housing.

Tighten the clamp screw securely.

Firing order for a side mount will be the bottom graphic.


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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

I don't have a dog in this hunt,but did read it.With inst.Dollar Bill left,,should be a cake walk.OR----there's more to do in CA.than fool with tractors.LOL

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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

Back away from it for awhile, the tractor ran and ran good from what you said. First hot wire it, wire from battery to coil, what happens? Will it start or try to start? If it runs then you know it is wiring, if not then you know it is in the dizzy or timing. Once you have narrowed it down on where to look you will find the problem and we are here to help anyway we can short of driving there to fix it (CA is just a bit more than a day trip for me).
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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

Bill: Thanks for taking the time to post timing instructions. I'll go thru it again and make sure it's right when the weather cools down a bit.

Already hot wired it, didn't make any difference. I know it's an electrical issue, it has to be.

Thanks again.
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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

Run thru the steps in the earlier post to verify the distributor is timed properly along with plugging the wires in the right holes on the distributor cap - Use the graphic to verify firing order.

If it works go sit in the shade and have a Corona or six!

If still no joy, post back with the trouble it's giving you.

Here's a wiring diagram if you want to double check yourself:

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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

$Bill that is a REALLY GOOD diagram you have made, I hope it will be placed in a sticky as wiring comes up so often on this site.
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$Bill that is a REALLY GOOD diagram you have made, I hope it will be placed in a sticky as wiring comes up so often on this site.

It's already in the Ford Sticky section:
https://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=154489

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Re: Unfortunate situation. 8N

The tractor runs & the dog will live.

I got in a hurry on the timing procedure and didn't check it for compression stroke. Embarrassing, but I felt I should put this out there if it will help anyone else.

Then I got in a hurry again and forgot to put the #1 plug back in, it ran anyways.

Thanks to everyone for the help.
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