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Installing Duals on an 8N

I know Ford had spacers to mount between the drive wheels when using duals, but I've also seen these "flange nuts" that say they can be used for dualing the wheels. Would that work on an 8N? If so, what's the advantage of using either the spacers or the flange nuts?
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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

I do not see any real advantage to using the flange nuts, in fact they look to me like they would be more likely to break when things got tough. I personally would use the flanges if I were going to run duals.

Running duals is really only going to give you more flotation in soft ground and for that I would really rather use a wider flotation style of tire.




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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

Thanks, John. I had the same thought about the flange nuts not holding up under stress. It does seem they would work best for mounting weights.
My "issue" is I have a 7' tandem drag disc (No wheels or any type of lift....an old disc from the 1930s) and the soil I disc is very soft sandy loam. As a result, in a plowed field, the gangs sink to their axles without any weight added to the disc. If I angle the gangs much at all, the 8N loses traction, spins the wheels once or twice, and buries itself in ruts. I'm thinking the duals would help keep that from happening?
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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

It would probably help but like I said a wider tire would likely do better. If the soil is that soft I would not think it would be necessary to angle the gangs much to get the soil broken up. Just take more passes to do it.




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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

Before you go the duals route, how is your tractor weighted? If you don't have weight on the drive axle with wheel weights or fluid in the tires, you might consider that route too. It would help stop the spin from starting. Once you start spinning with a tractor, you dig a hole. Doesn't matter what type of soil you have, in my experience.

If you go the duals route, they will help with both flotation and traction.
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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

The tractor doesn't have any extra weight on it yet, but I do plan to load the front tires and at least one set of rear tires.

I'm beginning to think you really do need longer wheel hub studs to mount the flanges on...I stuck one on the tractor today just to see how it fits, and the studs only go about half way through the lug nuts. I've attached a couple photos. It seems to me, only using half the threads in the lug nuts would be troublesome, as it seems they might back off. Any thoughts? Surely someone on here has ran duals at one point?
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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

That spacer looks more like the one used on the row crop models to set the single wheels out farther to clear the fenders. They would bolt directly to the hub without a wheel in between the spacer and the hub, so the studs would stick out farther with more threads for the nuts to grab.

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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

I know of one guy running duals. He uses it in northern Michigan to push a V plow. He told me he took the lug nuts off and replaced them with the flange nuts, then put on the second center disc and the original lug nuts. He did not use a hub or spacer. Duals are used to increase load limit and traction not flotation.

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Well dadgum! I thought these were the flanges I needed, but I guess not. Did they make a special flange for mounting duals, or do you just have to use the flange nuts?
I guess I'll put these back up for sale then, they are no use to me.
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Too much disk for the tractor and conditions. More tire, bigger hole dug


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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

I made up a set of inner wheel dishes to put duals on my NAA quite a few years back-----using a set from an 8N and a TO30, center cut out and welded together----using 6-loop wheels on the outside----worked great, till I started playing in the swamp, braking one side and spinning around in circles---THEN---I burst the the spider gears and cross---a piece of the cross hit the center housing and burst it----Till then it worked great
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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

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Duals are used to increase load limit and traction not flotation.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Duals also help with flotation because they increase the surface area that is carrying the weight of the tractor.

Discing loose sandy soil is pretty challenging without the benefit of gauge wheels on your disc. I'm a bit afraid this will be a scenario of too little tractor for the job.
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Re: Installing Duals on an 8N

I think you are probably right about having too little tractor. I need the 860 I've always wanted, then I'm sure I'd get it done.
That's a neat idea what was done with the rims to make a dual setup. If I had extra rims, I might try something like that.
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