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The 1880 handles that old 48 inch bush hog easy. The grass on the other side and top was basically a hay field and not cut for at least two years. Very thick and tall ( top of the hood ) I have no regrets at all about not spending the extra money for the 23 hp. This does everything I have asked it to do. I honestly haven't ran into anything yet that I need more HP for, will it happen maybe someday.
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The 1880 handles that old 48 inch bush hog easy. The grass on the other side and top was basically a hay field and not cut for at least two years. Very thick and tall ( top of the hood ) I have no regrets at all about not spending the extra money for the 23 hp. This does everything I have asked it to do. I honestly haven't ran into anything yet that I need more HP for, will it happen maybe someday.

good to know, my 1860 has 540 hrs now 7 years old, in that 540 hours have only run it at full power once for about a min to see how it ran, but is't never bogged down. I don't have a rear cutter taking down fields or blow snow either, so was wondering how it does with that. Others have said on here it does fine with snow blowing too.

I've said on this forum before we live in an age where marketing and competition has driven up horse power on tractors just like cars, well probably not as bad as cars. 40 years ago tractors had a lot less HP than they do now and they worked fine. We had a L185 in the '70s that was the size of an L2501 but was only 18 hp and a 60" MMM. It's still cutting fields with a rear cutter today at the neighbor's farm. Our old Farmall 140 was only 26 hp, and it was pretty big.

The bx23 makes sense too me for some but I don't get the bx26xx series's at all, seems like to me if you really need the hp, of the bx26xx then your doing something big and really need a bigger tractor. If it's just for bragging rights, that's makes sense...


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I used to cut a good size field 2-3 times per year with a brush hog (rotary cutter). It looked fine but I wondered if I could use my finish mower instead.

Well, now I mow that same field every 2 1/2 to 3 weeks with my finish mower. Wow! Does it look like a little golf course. lol!

Brush hog is 48", finish mower 61" gets the job done MUCH faster and looks awesome.

Btw, how do you sharpen your brush hog's blades?

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I use to mow all that with my mmm but a couple years ago it got really wet and I was not able to get on it to mow it. It then became a hay field ( lost control of it )
Everyone use to tell me that it looked like a golf course also...lol
I just use my mini grinder to sharpen the blades.

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Re: new BX 80 series

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I haven't been on MTF for a couple years (Howdy! - - hope you're all well!), and am just catching up on a subject that always interests me -- Kubota BX. Sorry to dredge up an old thread....

The "new" BX-80 Series seems like it incorporated quite a few nice improvements to an already capable platform. I appreciated reading a lot of your comments and observations.

Forgive me if I missed it elsewhere, but one thing that does not seem to have received much scrutiny/discussion is the big changes to the base BX1880 model. GBPackerfan was on to it with his post below:


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My 1870-1 does everything I need it to do...plenty of power. I bought it for the smaller physical size, not because it was the cheapest in the line. The 52" wheelbase works perfect for my yard contours and landscaping. The new 1880 has the same 55" wheelbase as the others which would seem to indicate that the only reason it exists is to satisfy the "below $10K" price point. For $1200-$1500 more ($20 - $25 more per month) you can get a 2380 with more features/upgrades, more power, better resale, same attachments, and same size footprint in both the garage and out in the yard. This may be the beginning of the end for the 18hp. Dealers likely won't stock them (pushing buyers to the 2380) and I'm not sure who will buy them......
Previously, the BX1870, 1860, and 1850 models had a shorter wheelbase and shorter length overall, along with the smaller wheel/tire set. It was a physically smaller machine. And the FEL bucket volume was physically smaller also, to match a de-rated hydraulic system (same flow as larger machines, but lower relief valve setting.) This was actually part of the attraction of the BX18xx - - it was just a scootch more compact than the higher HP models, for those with tight storage requirements.

As mentioned by GBPackerfan, the "18" is now physically nearly identical in size to the "23" and "26" models. The only slight differences in dimensions are due entirely to the smaller wheel/tire set used on the "18" (in other words, if you swapped for the larger wheel/tire set used on the 23 and 26, dimensions would be identical.)

Besides some minor comfort features, the other significant difference between the previous "18" and the 23/26 models, was that the 18 used a smaller diameter front axle (3" vs. 4"). This was another reason why the 18 had a de-rated FEL lift capacity. It was also why the 18 actually had the most ground clearance of the BX series (the smaller diameter front axle did not hang down as low) despite the smaller wheels/tires.

The new BX1880 now uses the same 4" front axle as the other models. This is a huge upgrade, and is the primary reason why the "18" now has identical FEL specs as the other models. This is also why it now has the least amount of ground clearance (larger diameter front axle, but same smaller wheels/tires.)

There are pros/cons to these changes in the "18". The primary downside is that the 18 is no longer a physically smaller machine for those who are tight on storage space or with tight operating conditions. The benefit is that the 18 is no longer de-rated compared to the other higher hp models. The primary difference now really comes down to PTO HP - - the loader lift and bucket size is now the same.

Of course, the 18 still offers the smaller 48" deck, and doesn't offer the 60" deck, due to hp limitations. But I wonder if there is any longer any physical limitation that prevents complete deck inter-compatibility between all the models, now that they are on identical frames? (Recognizing that the BX23S has some additional subframing.)

I am not sure how I feel about the changes. I liked the smaller-sized option of the previous "18" models. That seems to be gone now. But it still comes in at a lower price point, with increased capabilities, so not all bad by any means. Another advantage is that previously after-market Cab vendors were slow to produce cabs for the "18" model, and sometimes skipped it entirely due to the re-tooling costs. Now the same cab can be used on the 18/23/26 models, which is a nice benefit.

Anyway, sorry about the windy post. Just catching up on the developments and my stream of consciousness was flowing. Thanks for listening -- keep on BXing.




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Re: new BX 80 series

Welcome back, John. Good to see you here again.
There must be a reason Kubota does not sell the 60" deck with the 80 series tractors. Maybe the deck is higher, which would make it difficult to slide under and out from the tractor. Also, the extra beef on the 23S might be all that is needed to support the heavier deck, and you may be right about the HP difference.

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Welcome back, John. Good to see you here again.
There must be a reason Kubota does not sell the 60" deck with the 80 series tractors. Maybe the deck is higher, which would make it difficult to slide under and out from the tractor. Also, the extra beef on the 23S might be all that is needed to support the heavier deck, and you may be right about the HP difference.
Thanks Al. Hope you are well and still enjoying your 1860!

So, it seems I may have been mistaken about the 48" deck. I just noticed that Kubota doesn't show this option on the "Build" menu for the BX1880. Is the 48" deck NLA?

Also, the "Build" feature did show the option for a 60" deck on the "23" and "26". Is that incorrect?

Edit: And oops, the "Build" site shows that a 60" deck is an option now for the "18". So apparently it was the frame size, not the HP that limited the previous -50,-60,-70 Series from taking the 60" deck?




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Sure looks that way. They must have changed it recently. The 1870 still has the 48" option. The 2380 and 2680 have the 60" option. If you really want the sider deck, the 2380 might be the way to go.
Edit: I don't see the 60" mower as an option on the 18 but the 48" is available if you select your own options.

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Sure looks that way. They must have changed it recently. The 1870 still has the 48" option. The 2380 and 2680 have the 60" option. If you really want the sider deck, the 2380 might be the way to go.
Edit: I don't see the 60" mower as an option on the 18 but the 48" is available if you select your own options.
Weird, my computer must be glitching because I'm not seeing that. But I thought I had seen that previously -- so I'm sure you're right.

EDIT: I did a screen refresh and it reset things. Now seeing the 48" deck for the 1880, but no 60" deck option. Please disregard my erroneous info about the decks immediately above.




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With my 1880 I have yet to feel underpowered or regret going with the smaller engine. It saved me money and, so far, it has handled everything I have asked of it. Primarily tilling and mowing, but I have big plans for it in the spring. When tilling, I do have to take it slow but I don't see it as a bad thing. First of all, anything is faster and easier than wrestling a front or rear tine tiller back and forth. Second, to really break up the soil and get a good bed I think you need to be going slow so those tines can do their job.
I might be proven wrong someday but I can't see a reason for ever needing more horsepower.... bigger tractor for lifting capacity sure.... but a bigger motor no.

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With my 1880 I have yet to feel underpowered or regret going with the smaller engine. It saved me money and, so far, it has handled everything I have asked of it. Primarily tilling and mowing, but I have big plans for it in the spring. When tilling, I do have to take it slow but I don't see it as a bad thing. First of all, anything is faster and easier than wrestling a front or rear tine tiller back and forth. Second, to really break up the soil and get a good bed I think you need to be going slow so those tines can do their job.
I might be proven wrong someday but I can't see a reason for ever needing more horsepower.... bigger tractor for lifting capacity sure.... but a bigger motor no.
Having that beefier 4" axle upfront is quite a big change. Your 1880 is now identical to the higher HP BX-80 models except for engine/pto HP and the wheel/tire set. And if you purchased a set of the larger wheels/tires, you'd even have the same groundspeed and ground clearance (but you might not be able to use the 48" deck.)

This makes it a different beast than the previous BX1850, 1860, 1870 models, which were de-rated on smaller frames with smaller buckets and the smaller front axle to match.

GBPackerfan was wondering if these changes would make the "18" models less popular. But I suppose it's possible they might actually make the "18" more popular, since you are getting nearly all the same primary functionality as the higher HP models at a lesser price. Time will tell.




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Welcome back UT. I went with the 18 because of itís smaller size, shorter wheel base, dealer advise, turned out to be the right decision.


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Welcome back UT. I went with the 18 because of itís smaller size, shorter wheel base, dealer advise, turned out to be the right decision.
Thanks for the kind welcome, OrangeTractor!

Personally, I preferred the smaller platform of the previous "18" models like your 1860. It seemed to offer an option that no other SCUT brand had, i.e. an even more compact platform similar in footprint to a heavy-duty Garden Tractor, but with full SCUT capabilities. Seems a shame to have lost that option.

Going much farther back, before the BX-50 Series, the BX1830 and the BX1800 were built on the large frames as well. However, a smaller frame option was still offered in the BX1500. So, as far as I know, this is the first time in the history of the BX-series that a small-frame option has not been available (but Dave/@Volfandt would be the one to confirm this.)




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The orange barrel is full of cement for counter weight when using the FEL. It needed weight and I am cheap so for about $15 I made that set up. Weighs roughly about 250 lbs Rear tires are loaded also.
i know this is an old thread, but really like your rear ballast. how about a quick rundown of how you made it. specifically, what you used to set in the bucket that you attach the toplink to. how big a bucket is that, and how many bags of cement?
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