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post #1 of 12 Old 07-18-2019, 07:08 AM Thread Starter
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Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Fixing this for a friend, but he says his 1210 will not turn the starter at all, even with what he thinks is a good battery. What would be the most likely place to start, assuming his battery is good.

Neutral safety switch, starter itself or starter button/keyswitch?
If starter was frozen I imagine it would start smoking if it did not turn....so assuming something else.

Not real familiar with this tractor, but have the ability to fix most stuff.
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post #2 of 12 Old 07-18-2019, 09:24 AM
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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Start with a 12v test light. Do you have power at the starter? Work backwards from there.

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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Nothing worse than an electrical problem.
I needed more power to run a hay baler when it was dark, so I "up-graded" my Farmall to a 12 volt generator from a 6. That way, it could operate everything that the newer machines could do at night.
Long story short, I just switched over to a one wire alternator and I am not regretting that for on second.
I'm with Larry. Get a test light, hook the wire to the ground on the battery and start at the starter and work back.

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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Great advice, need to get up there when I get a chance, was just wanting ideas before I am in his barn.
Great idea....I do have a 12 volt test light and will make good use of it.

Found what I think is the schematic, nothing too complicated!
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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Finally got to work on his tractor (( a 1100, NOT 1210 if that matters)) but found battery relatively good, used light to check, and meter and full voltage seems to be getting To starter and to solenoid, and clutch safety switch works as intended.

Engine is fairly easy to turn by hand, using pulley on front of engine near bottom.

So engine not seized, battery good, but just a fairly loud click every time I turn to start position.

Headlights are fairly bright and dim a bit when turned to start postion.

Likely to be starter or solenoid or both?

Noticed black wire from alternator not connected.
Friend is unsure why, but alternator belt was quite loose.
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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

A loose belt is a sure sign you have probably not been charging properly or fully.

Have you tried boosting off a known fully charged battery..... that is one that is currently starting another engine?

Every wire on an alternator is important. Try to determine what is in reaching distance that it might have been attached to.

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A loose belt is a sure sign you have probably not been charging properly or fully.

Have you tried boosting off a known fully charged battery..... that is one that is currently starting another engine?

Every wire on an alternator is important. Try to determine what is in reaching distance that it might have been attached to.
Yes true, but the battery we are using now to try to start is nearly new and was charged overnight and checks out great.
I think that wire should go to the starter hot connection.
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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Found last night, that starter is like VERY hard to remove.

The lower bolt came out easily, but the upper bolt is very hard to get any wrench or socket on. The starter body is in the way, and on the other end the gas tank brackets or frame is in the way...what were they thinking!!
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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

The genius design engineer wasnít. Iíve always said every design engineer was required to work on the part of the tractor/truck/car/whatever he/she just so brilliantly designed. Many of them would end up like me, almost bald from all the hair pulling caused by their own design. Better products would surely be forthcoming. I have the identical problem on the 40Ė60ís Ferguson tractors, I finally found I could use a loooonng 3/8Ē extension w/a std socket (not enough clearance between starter & bell housings for a deep well) and ratchet. It still takes some jockeying to get the socket behind the starter, and then put the ratchet onto the extension after Iíve got the socket onto the bolt head. Hopefully you can have the same fortune w/Ford products.
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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Did you check for power on the small wire (looks white in pic) on the starter when you turn the key to start? That energizes the solenoid, which in turn switches power to the starter itself.

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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

if you put the wire on and the battery goes dead in a few days have the alt tested

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Re: Ford 1210 Starter not turning

Just another quick check farmer test, use a screwdriver/wrench or other convenient tool and short solenoid battery post to the starter solenoid post. If it cranks the engine, you know the starter is good. Then short solenoid battery post to that white wire post on the solenoid, engine cranks fine. Then the solenoid & starter are both good. That will eliminate 2 of your most common problems. Keep us up to date with your progress, your final resolution may one day be our solution.
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