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kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

how well do kwik way loaders perform? they seem kind of pricey...older vs. newer models? I have a chance to purchase one...what would be a good price on one? I have seen them for 950.00 or so and no bucket the fellow is asking...can they lift 400 lbs. what gravely rider is the best match if it matters...

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Re: kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

How much they will lift depends on the relief valve setting, the rear end ballast, and the operator's nerve. Mine isn't a Kwik Way, but it has the same geometry and hydraulics and lifts considerably more than 400 lb.

You want the heaviest tractor in the Gravely lineup to properly support a FEL. Lighter tractors will work fine, but you can't get the max without the base weight.

As with all GT's, front axle bearings and spindles are at risk due to much heavier loading. Typical front axle loading with a 400 lb FEL payload is over 1000 lb for most medium weight GT's (800-950 lb) without rear counter weight. Tire ballast and wheel weights don't count for this calculation.

The Gravely rear engine design also changes the equation and results in slightly less front axle load from the more traditional GT design. The flip side of that particular coin is that with the engine already out behind, opportunities to add substantial rear counterweight are somewhat diminished without putting the rear axle at risk.

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Just the opinion of someone who is only an observer on this topic - the best GRAVELY for a Kwik Way is a 24-G with the Kwik Way made for that GRAVELY.

And, that is likely the highest and best use for a 24-G given its limited selection of attachments because of its different frame size and unique PTO speed.

It comes with power steering and dual brakes, and many had foot control clutches, all features handy with a FEL.

GRAVELY never sold a loader, suggesting they did not consider it the best idea. The 24-G is biggest and heaviest, not counting the 9000's, so it is by far the best GRAVELY for a FEL.

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Re: kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

I have one on a 450. I haven't tried lifting anything yet though. I have a Duetz Allis 1920 with FEL it says it can lift 800 lbs but I loaded it with 6 50 lb bags of dirt and it struggled
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GRAVELY never sold a loader, suggesting they did not consider it the best idea. The 24-G is biggest and heaviest, not counting the 9000's, so it is by far the best GRAVELY for a FEL.

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They did, however, list it as an approved "Allied" attachment for the tractor - which is more than can be said for things like the Unicorn log splitters.

I personally don't think loaders are a wise choice in the long run on any Gravely due to the front axle issues, but they do have a "neat" factor. That's just my opinion. I'm not sure if the GMT 900/9000s had a significantly different front axle or not, but they might be better.

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I have a kwik way on a Sears Suburban and I have lifted 400lbs no problem before. To get the full lift capacity, you often need to run the tractor at WOT to ensure the pump is putting out enough psi and volume. I wouldnt be worried about your rear axle breaking. Anyone who has seen the inside of one of those axles knows it is a sherman tank. A 24-G would be nice but I dont think that is an option most people have. I think a commercial 400 series would be a good choice, with loaded tires and a couple sets of wheel weights you should be good to go.

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Re: kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

Gravely did sell loaders that were OEMed by Kwik-Way. They were painted red and had Gravely decals on them. They are on the old price lists.

I've lifted a 72" deck with solid tires and that's just over 500lbs. You do need to run the engine at max for the heavier load.

The biggest issue with a Gravely and a FEL is not having power steering.

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Re: kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

Contrary to the last 2 posts, WOT is not necessary for high psi. That is available at idle. My FEL has lifted one end of a 2200 lb log at just over idle. (The throttle cable was jammed.)

High rpm results in high flow rates from the pump. This is good for speed, but sometimes not so good for control. Fast operating hydraulics are subject to over controlling to the point that the front tires can be bounced off the ground with several hundred pounds of payload in the bucket.

The ideal throttle setting will give enough flow to raise the bucket from ground level to full height in 6-7 seconds.

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Re: kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

OK Bob, I guess you don't need to rev it all the way up, but with a heavy load it goes much faster. For most loading I run at about half throttle. I know what you mean about running the engine too fast. The governor on my Teramite acts up and it gets real jerky when it revs high.

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Re: kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

If I remember right my sub compact is only rated at 700lbs max lift.

Looked at my spec sheet that all they want you to lift

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ok thanks, well to that garage sale out in the sticks that had the 814 and the kwik way loader...the sale started fri but I was in iowa picking up more gravelys...to my surpise when I called sat. to see if they had it and she said yes...I thought the price might have been too high...she said we were just seeing what people were going to offer...I said do you have a price in mind and she said no...so I said I will be there sun. morning to look at it...she agreed...the tractor comes with a mower deck, extra set of bar tires and wheels, manuals for everything. it was her husbands and he passed away last year....oh, also comes with rear wheel weights...when I got there the tractor did not run, the starter was just spinning...I do not mind buying a pig in a polk but the price has to be right...so I just lubed the bendix spring and the starter engaged and she fired right up...engine sounded good, a little play in rear wheels and the clutch needed to be adjusted some...I do not like to make offers on someone elses machinery, it is theirs and they should set the price...I think most people do not do this because I might offer too much...so I just said I want this to be fair for both of us...I know the loaders can be spendy for a new one but this was used and in very good condition, only used for dirt...I have never seen an 814 for sale around here but the tractor was in very good condition...so I offered 900.00 and she said that would be fine...I am sure I could have gotten it for less but I felt sorry that she had lost her husband...I am sure you guys will think this was a good buy also...I think I may put this loader on my 450... he painted the tractor blue because that was his favorite color, house was painted blue inside also...he loved his blue...the gravel cab was bought about 30 miles away after the 814...I had talked to this fellow 2 weeks ago and it was sold...but when the guy looked at it, he did not think it would work...so I was next in line and no one else...he let me have it for 200.00 if you take it today...I need to get wipers and a fan and lights for it...also replace 2 broken windows in front...plus an interior and insulation...it is made by cozy cab and is 30 miles from me...any know a better source for parts on this...btw he took it off 8199kt and that is what it will be going on is my 8199kt...
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Re: kwik way loaders...how well do they perform?

Well I have 816 with a kwikway on it,loaded tires in the rear and after researching the forums I added thrust bearings to the bottom spindles on the front axle and i also have the rac/pinion steering.IMHO so far it steers better than before,the loader seems matched to the tractor,so far i have used it for
lifting small things around the yard.(back saver).I hope to use it this winter to
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ok thanks, well to that garage sale out in the sticks that had the 814 and the kwik way loader...the sale started fri but I was in iowa picking up more gravelys...to my surpise when I called sat. to see if they had it and she said yes...I thought the price might have been too high...she said we were just seeing what people were going to offer...I said do you have a price in mind and she said no...so I said I will be there sun. morning to look at it...she agreed...the tractor comes with a mower deck, extra set of bar tires and wheels, manuals for everything. it was her husbands and he passed away last year....oh, also comes with rear wheel weights...when I got there the tractor did not run, the starter was just spinning...I do not mind buying a pig in a polk but the price has to be right...so I just lubed the bendix spring and the starter engaged and she fired right up...engine sounded good, a little play in rear wheels and the clutch needed to be adjusted some...I do not like to make offers on someone elses machinery, it is theirs and they should set the price...I think most people do not do this because I might offer too much...so I just said I want this to be fair for both of us...I know the loaders can be spendy for a new one but this was used and in very good condition, only used for dirt...I have never seen an 814 for sale around here but the tractor was in very good condition...so I offered 900.00 and she said that would be fine...I am sure I could have gotten it for less but I felt sorry that she had lost her husband...I am sure you guys will think this was a good buy also...I think I may put this loader on my 450... he painted the tractor blue because that was his favorite color, house was painted blue inside also...he loved his blue...the gravel cab was bought about 30 miles away after the 814...I had talked to this fellow 2 weeks ago and it was sold...but when the guy looked at it, he did not think it would work...so I was next in line and no one else...he let me have it for 200.00 if you take it today...I need to get wipers and a fan and lights for it...also replace 2 broken windows in front...plus an interior and insulation...it is made by cozy cab and is 30 miles from me...any know a better source for parts on this...btw he took it off 8199kt and that is what it will be going on is my 8199kt...
Very very very did I say very good deal Gary! Thats awesome and another cab im envious of the cab for sure and the loader on a gravely as well. Looks all in good shape And yeah I hate when people don't have a number in mind. Hate to shoot high and hate to go low with a number.

Anyhow congrats and enjoy it man

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$900 for a working KW on a working tractor? That's a very good deal.

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$900 for a working KW on a working tractor? That's a very good deal.
Holy crap, that's a steal. A local guy wanted $1800 last year for an 810 w/ KW that had more rust than the Titanic and more leaks than a screen door.

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