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That's a heck of a trip story Al! "In a neighborhood that made Cadplans look like the suburbs..." Ah that's the quote of the night right there, lol, and sounds like just the place I'd like to live. Glad to see the gentleman had all the pieces we were wondering about. I have to say, now that I see all the up close pictures, I have to wonder as well if that red wasn't from a dealer originally. It really doesn't look like it was a quickie job, or an off shade of red. Maybe the yellow has just worn through over the years? Either way, the yellow is a unique color that I think looks excellent on the older models. Congrats again, glad it all worked out.

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Thanks Steven. i like your theory on the painted over yellow machines. It's really not too far from mine. I've always thought the old yellow machines very handsome, especially when they are cleaned up nice.

Your take on resto-racing somewhat surprises me. I thought your credo was "he who finishes with the most - that run - wins."
I've always wanted a yellow one Al. Between the postal LI and the C10A, plus the 430 and 432 that should be yellow. One day I'll have a shiny yellow something gravely

I know I don't have the most gravelys or most runners. (maybe best non runners to runners ratio) But I for sure like to think I had the most fun getting them all running. I've also come to the realization that I can't own them all. Though I might try

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Nice Gravely adventure, and story Al. I really like the pic with p/o Al and the tractor on the trailer. You'll always have both the story, and pic to go along with the tractor.

I've been maintaining control over my 450 GAS for quite a while, but with all these new 450 threads going on...
And to beat these guys I need 2 450's both with loaders, Thats been untouched for 40 years and yellow for less than $200 with pallet fork attachment (ok mainly Ralph) I am jealous of these 450 guys. For now im reading and enjoying all of the posts on them

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I've been maintaining control over my 450 GAS for quite a while, but with all these new 450 threads going on...
I only hope I can get my 450 looking something like this:

It will take a couple of years I know, but it's something to shoot at.

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Great story Al and great looking project. I have no doubt you'll do the old girl justice when the time comes to spruce her up. I look forward to that time.

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Nice story Al. Btw is that guy really loading leaves into that trailer with a snow blower ? Lol.
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. . . . . . . is that guy really loading leaves into that trailer with a snow blower ? Lol.
Yes he is! Talk about a good story

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Great story Al and great looking project. I have no doubt you'll do the old girl justice when the time comes to spruce her up. I look forward to that time.
Thanks Don. I'm sure I will be looking for your council on dealing with my first Onan.

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Nice story Al. Btw is that guy really loading leaves into that trailer with a snow blower ? Lol.
Ha! That guy is our own Tractortag!

Quite by accident, I blew leaves with my 38" blower. After installing the casters I got from CrazyVet I ran it on the driveway to see how it all felt. I ran through a row of leaves left by the wind. It at 'em up and spit 'em out - about 10 feet!

Of course the wind just caught them and scattered them about but blowing into a confined space, like the trailer in that picture, would be very possible.

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My theory is a lot of the yellow tractors were painted by the dealers to move old inventory.

Gravely painted the home owner stuff red and white and the commercial stuff yellow and white. The only problem is their big competitor, Cub Cadet, was established with the yellow and white color scheme. I bet there were people who would not buy the yellow tractors. When Gravely went all red and white, the yellow tractors were instantly old. So the dealers (and most likely with factor consent) would spray them red, drop the price a hundred or two below the newest tractors, and sell them. I'm sure there have been a few home owners that painted them too, but most of the ones I've seen were pretty decent paint jobs.

Just a theory, but you have to admit there is a lot of red paint over yellow tractors out there.

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My theory is a lot of the yellow tractors were painted by the dealers to move old inventory. , , , ,
A theory well supported by what is known Ron. Perhaps what happened to mine.

Some questions I'd like to hear your thoughts on.

In the scenarios you suggest, do you think a space of frame way up under on the frame, and hidden might be missed entirely?

Perhaps the pics of the underside of the running boards do not prove they had no red paint ever. I need to examine those areas a little closer.

Also, in the discussions earlier in the thread concerning whether the engine is a CKK (tag on black tin) or a CKKA (what the PO believed it to be) do you agree with Dave and John it most likely is the original CKKA? i did not have enough experience to recognize the tin might be from somewhere else. Sure am on a new learning curve here. Here's the pic of that tag.
A wider shot of the B48
A couple of more different questions. Regarding my post #6 in this thread? This is a tag from a newer Onan engine than the CCKA - a B48 I believe? Could it be used as a re-power on a Gravely? What would be needed to do so? Can we tell what it's year of manufacture is? What is your opinion of it's value, coming with the tractor in post #6?

I'm happy to hear all opinions on these questions guys.

As always thanks for your time.

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I only hope I can get my 450 looking something like this:

It will take a couple of years I know, but it's something to shoot at.
Seeing your past work, your 450 will look, and run like new when you're finished with it!
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[QUOTE=Mikey4;6624825]Ha! That guy is our own Tractortag!

Yes, guilty as charged. I couldn't help it. Everything was there, the leaves, the 430 and trailer, and the Pro with a blower attached...
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Great story, Al. Thanks for sharing as always, my friend

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A theory well supported by what is known Ron. Perhaps what happened to mine.

Some questions I'd like to hear your thoughts on.

In the scenarios you suggest, do you think a space of frame way up under on the frame, and hidden might be missed entirely?

Perhaps the pics of the underside of the running boards do not prove they had no red paint ever. I need to examine those areas a little closer.

Also, in the discussions earlier in the thread concerning whether the engine is a CKK (tag on black tin) or a CKKA (what the PO believed it to be) do you agree with Dave and John it most likely is the original CKKA? i did not have enough experience to recognize the tin might be from somewhere else. Sure am on a new learning curve here. Here's the pic of that tag.

A couple of more different questions. Regarding my post #6 in this thread? This is a tag from a newer Onan engine than the CCKA - a B48 I believe? Could it be used as a re-power on a Gravely? What would be needed to do so? Can we tell what it's year of manufacture is? What is your opinion of it's value, coming with the tractor in post #6?

I'm happy to hear all opinions on these questions guys.

As always thanks for your time.
On the missed spots on the bottom, yes, this would be common. Remember, these are assembled tractors with minimal disassembly fro painting. There would be variances between dealers, depending lots of stuff, like how good the painter was, how big of a hurry they were in, ect. The factory would have been very consistent if they were repainted there.

From the looks of the engine, matching red paint over yellow, I would agree that it is most likely the original engine. The black tin is just a replacement for the lost original tin. Gravely never used a CCK and a CCK replacement engine would need the crank replaced with the Gravely stepped shaft. Not sure if that would be easy. That's a boomer question.

Replacing the CCKA with a B48 would require that stepped shaft. If a CCKA shaft would not fit a B48, you would have to get the B48 shaft machined to fit the double drive gear. How broke are you willing to be?

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Thanks Ron. i was actually thinking of the B48 on a different tractor.

Does anyone know what an Onan B48 Gravely compatable crankshaft costs?

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What tractor do you want to put it on and what shaft does it have on it now?

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