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post #16 of 32 Old 09-25-2019, 06:47 PM
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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

I have an automotive starter/alternator shop nearby that seems to be able to tear into and fix just about anything. I'd try one if you have one close. They at least could probably tell you if its "toast".
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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

I bought a generic replacement starter for my M18 from Jack's Small Engines years ago, it has been fine.

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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

PA Redrider, I ordered a starter from Pat's-thanks for the info. I talked to the dealer today and the decision is they will provide the labor for free and I will pay for the new parts. I have to wait for the starter to arrive before I take it in. I am going to replace both cups, 2 thrust washers, 2 thrust bearings and the front ball bearing. Have I missed anything?
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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

Personally, I would do the brake band and fwd clutch seals as well as the PTO seal.

Will the case gasket survive the operation? I'm thinking probably.

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PA Redrider, I ordered a starter from Pat's-thanks for the info. I talked to the dealer today and the decision is they will provide the labor for free and I will pay for the new parts. I have to wait for the starter to arrive before I take it in. I am going to replace both cups, 2 thrust washers, 2 thrust bearings and the front ball bearing. Have I missed anything?
As PA Redrider said and as I commented earlier, I can't imagine taking a GRAVELY rider transmission apart without replacing ALL the seals.

And I have taken mine apart.......



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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

I finally got the new starter and nothing has changed. Still have a no crank and positive cable gets hot on both sides of solenoid. I have replaced both positive cables, repaired the melted wiring at the connector on the right side of engine and cleaned grounds. I guess I will have to push it on my trailer and take it to the dealer and have them replace the parts they should have replaced and repair whatever went wrong when the wiring melted due to the incorrect wiring routing. I never had running problems before and I am concerned whatever happened could lead to future gremlins. It could be a few days before I have time to take it in so if anyone here has any suggestions of what to look for I would appreciate them. The connector at the end of the wiring harness at the engine is partly melted. What test can I do to test it. Thanks again.
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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

Late to the party. But does the motor turn over by hand? Seen so many fill the cylinders with gas its not funny. When the carb leaks threw

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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

gravely1964, yes the engine turns by hand. Everything was ok until dealer replaced pto clutch and routed the engine harness on the hot engine. The engine started fine to load and unload from trailer but first time I mowed with it I noticed a burning smell and found the melted wires. The engine has not started after I shut it off because of the burning smell.
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I found another wire in the harness grounding out where the insulation had melted. I applied liquid electrical tape on it, waited for the first coat to dry and tried starting the engine it turned right over. I have to put another coating of the liquid tape on and then wait for it cure before I try again. I will then take it to the dealer to have them correctly install all the parts needed for the pto clutch.
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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

It's unfortunate that the dealer left your machine in this shape.

Hope they make things right.

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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

I have been in the auto repair business for almost 40 years. Most every shop owner or tech knows once you touch something your almost married to it. You changed my oil last week now my tire went flat, what are you going to do about it? Ever since you changed my battery my turn signal don't work. ect. With that being said the first thing you should have done is not touched the machine, but took it back and demanded it been made right. By you making repairs then there are finger pointing on who did what. But if I were you I would not take it back if they did the work for free
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Toddnails, I also worked in the auto repair business for over 20 years. I know exactly what you are talking about. The situation as I see it is I can take it back to the same dealer and only pay for the parts that should have been installed bringing the total cost to about $2100.00 ( which already is too much for the job ) or take it too another dealer and pay an additional $900.00 plus in labor bring the total for a pto clutch to $3000.00. I am at a place where I have to proceed ahead or have a clutch that probably will fail prematurely and fork out the money again in the near future. I fixed the other problems they caused because I want them done right and not by a possibly disgruntled tech. I have talked with the owner about being compensated for my work and he said he is willing to work with me. I forgot to mention that I asked the owner if he talked to Gravely tech support about the the parts that should have been replaced with this job and he said yes he had and that Gravely agreed with this board and me. I have also patronized the dealership for over 25 years and the owner has always treated me right. I put the blame on this fiasco on the tech who should have researched a job he had never done before.

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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

Routing the starter wire too close to the exhaust seems like an honest, albeit rookie mistake. Sorry you invested in a new starter needlessly. Jumping it directly would have ruled that out.

If it were me, I'd be into them to replace said cable.

Agreed the cost of this job is getting way out of hand.

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I fixed the other problems they caused because I want them done right and not by a possibly disgruntled tech.
The story of my life. I am so gun-shy about paying most any tradesman to do work that might be shoddy, that I suffer through most tasks myself.

I always feel like they will rush through the task and move on to the next paying job. Maybe as I get older I'll feel differently.

I just did all the ball joints and the tie rods on my truck, man that job sucked even though I had rented the proper tools.

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Re: 20G pto clutch cone bearing question

PA RedRider, I did try to jump starter and no go. I even took the starter out and jumped it with a battery pack-no go. I am sure the starter was toast. Also the tech laid the harness that goes to to the engine on the hot engine and muffler-which I repaired. The starter wire by the engine was damaged but the battery wire going to the solenoid was the one that melted. I understand a tech- esp. a newer tech - can make a mistake. But wrong gap on clutch lever, forward clutch not adjusted right, 3 burnt and 1 melted wires, and not replacing cups with bearings-all this adds up to more then a rookie mistake. Perhaps rushing the job or not paying attention. Hopefully that is all in the past and this time the tech will have learned something from the first replacement.
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