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post #31 of 55 Old 08-26-2019, 07:29 AM
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The worry about breaking a jug is understandable. You're going to take it a step at a time and not make that mistake.

You've already got all the information you need. In post 28, you took a bolt and spun it in until it stopped, with the head on, then marked the shaft, correct? Your measurement is 1-1/2". Look in the IPL. The bolt dimensions for the 10 short bolts is 1-3/8". That makes perfect sense; they're spec'cing bolts which stop 1/8" below the bottom of the hole.

Another experiment you can do to gain confidence: you now know that the bolts are intended to not go all the way down. Take a small piece of wire, bend a right angle about 1/4" long in the end to make a feeler, with the head and gasket on, spin a bolt in, then stick the feeler up from the bottom. That will show how much hole is left, and tell you how close you are to your 1/8".

The bolt you used in post 28 looks like one of the end bolts, 2" long. The IPL specs the two end bolts, the long ones, at 2". If that really is a 2" bolt, it shouldn't need to be modified. Try the same sorts of things on the end; spin in with the head and gasket on (and include the spacer), and see how it sits. If you think it's still a bit too long, take 1/8" off it.

It's all doable. Just take your time, make sure each step makes sense before you do it, and it'll be fine.

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... I think your'e about the only one that hasnt given up on me here, but I cant say I blame them.
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Hey, there are at least two of us on your team Mark!!! I am up in the Upper Penisula of Michigan since last week (with a horrible internet connection) but still very interested in this project. Like jrd said earlier, do NOT overthink this.

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Hey, there are at least two of us on your team Mark!!! I am up in the Upper Penisula of Michigan since last week (with a horrible internet connection) but still very interested in this project. Like jrd said earlier, do NOT overthink this.
Yea I know Buddy, lol.
I have some kin up there in the U.P., in a place called Iron River.
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The worry about breaking a jug is understandable. You're going to take it a step at a time and not make that mistake.

You've already got all the information you need. In post 28, you took a bolt and spun it in until it stopped, with the head on, then marked the shaft, correct? Your measurement is 1-1/2". Look in the IPL. The bolt dimensions for the 10 short bolts is 1-3/8". That makes perfect sense; they're spec'cing bolts which stop 1/8" below the bottom of the hole.

Another experiment you can do to gain confidence: you now know that the bolts are intended to not go all the way down. Take a small piece of wire, bend a right angle about 1/4" long in the end to make a feeler, with the head and gasket on, spin a bolt in, then stick the feeler up from the bottom. That will show how much hole is left, and tell you how close you are to your 1/8".

The bolt you used in post 28 looks like one of the end bolts, 2" long. The IPL specs the two end bolts, the long ones, at 2". If that really is a 2" bolt, it shouldn't need to be modified. Try the same sorts of things on the end; spin in with the head and gasket on (and include the spacer), and see how it sits. If you think it's still a bit too long, take 1/8" off it.

It's all doable. Just take your time, make sure each step makes sense before you do it, and it'll be fine.
Will do, I gotta go to work today and can think better, round here I feel a bit overwelmed with a million things to do.
But your'e right Im already on the right track and heck its just bolts and such and if I cant handle this I cant handle much altho costly mistakes can be made just watch what your'e doin and I should be fine.
Oh yea, I think I used a old stainless bolt for the pic so I could see the mark on it pretty good.
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[QUOTE=jrd;12332643]The worry about breaking a jug is understandable. You're going to take it a step at a time and not make that mistake.

You've already got all the information you need. In post 28, you took a bolt and spun it in until it stopped, with the head on, then marked the shaft, correct? Your measurement is 1-1/2". Look in the IPL. The bolt dimensions for the 10 short bolts is 1-3/8". That makes perfect sense; they're spec'cing bolts which stop 1/8" below the bottom of the hole.

I hate to ask this what what exactly is the IPL you talk about? Im pretty sure the "PL" part of it means 'parts list' but I use the Sticky's thing but it doesnt give much info other than part number and exploded view and thats it. Im glad for it dont get me wrong and Im very happy its here because I use it all the time but I apparently don't know the one you are speaking of.
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IPL == "Illustrated Parts List". There are lots of them on gravelymanuals.com.

The particular one we're talking about is https://www.gravelymanuals.com/pdf/C...L_19720315.pdf It was referenced in post 5 on this thread. This IPL details the parts needed for a 1972 model. Yours is older, but you've got the newer jug, so this is the right IPL to look at to determine what bolts you need for that jug.

On page 1 is the exploded diagram of the engine. Following it is the parts breakdown, on page 2, you'll see part number 57, which is your short bolt. They call it "5/16-18 x 1-3/16 Hex Hd Bolt". On page 3 is the exploded diagram including the cooling system. On page 4, you'll see part number 12, which is your long bolt. They call it "5/16-18 x 2 Hex Hd Bolt".

See? All the information you need is there. The IPL tells you what bolts they expect you to use for assembly, and we've already gone over the techniques for making sure your bolts aren't bottoming in the threads when you install them. You're good to go!

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IPL == "Illustrated Parts List". There are lots of them on gravelymanuals.com.

The particular one we're talking about is https://www.gravelymanuals.com/pdf/C...L_19720315.pdf It was referenced in post 5 on this thread. This IPL details the parts needed for a 1972 model. Yours is older, but you've got the newer jug, so this is the right IPL to look at to determine what bolts you need for that jug.

On page 1 is the exploded diagram of the engine. Following it is the parts breakdown, on page 2, you'll see part number 57, which is your short bolt. They call it "5/16-18 x 1-3/16 Hex Hd Bolt". On page 3 is the exploded diagram including the cooling system. On page 4, you'll see part number 12, which is your long bolt. They call it "5/16-18 x 2 Hex Hd Bolt".

See? All the information you need is there. The IPL tells you what bolts they expect you to use for assembly, and we've already gone over the techniques for making sure your bolts aren't bottoming in the threads when you install them. You're good to go!
OK Yea I checked out and mentioned to Fireant that it was just like the Sticky's section but never noticed any sizes on the parts description, I just thought there was one I didnt know about.
Sorry to ask a dumb question because a stupid question is one you already know the answer to by definition lol.
But the original head I had was a 1966 head that I presume came w/my L model I have been working on and I bought a LI and decided to use it for parts and a few ppl on here said that thing could be a early 50's model or earlier.
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Looks like Im replying to myself again, however I finally got some bolts the right size and in grade 8 ( if they need to be or not, they just happened to be) but I tried a cpl out and they seem to work or let me say they are going to work and for 3 bucks & change it'll be better thab hack-sawing one bolt wich I wouldnt get straight in the first place I can assure everyone.
I will do it tomorrow because Im off then and the mosquitoes wont be eating me alive either.
You have to understand Im convinced theirs something wrong with my head, cant even remember my phone number sometimes.
I got these bolts at a Rural King I work right beside, I have been in there 4 times in the last week, have to litterally go to another state ( altho close) to go to TSC and have been in there buying bolts 3 times in the last week.
Why did it not strike me to check for them at RK I have been to several times this week? I cant answer that, but they had good incriments for sure.
So here it all is, the bent pick is what I use for a 'feeler guage" to see how far in the bolts are going.

Oh and did I mention they are cool looking to lol!
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I hate to break it to you, but it looks like you've got paint down in the spark plug hole. That might make it hard to get a plug in there. I advise to you try the plug before you put the head on, make sure you can get it to spin in cleanly. If not, you'll need to clean that out some. It may work to spin the plug in as much as possible, back it out, and try again, to keep working it in. Essentially using the plug as a tap.

I don't see anything else wrong with your head.

+1 on the cool looking. I have several sets of bolts with chromed heads, for when I want to build up a machine that looks cool.

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...You have to understand Im convinced theirs something wrong with my head, cant even remember my phone number sometimes...
Mark,
You and I are in the same boat. I have been traveling to Vanderbilt Neurology in Nashville, TN since April of this year to get my head checked. In fact, I am going back this coming Tuesday to hopefully get my actual diagnosis... my issue is memory problems too PLUS I have lost a great amount of my previous mental sharpness.

I am so glad that you are back on this project. Hopefully, it will be roaring to life soon - unless, you start overthinking things again.

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I hate to break it to you, but it looks like you've got paint down in the spark plug hole. That might make it hard to get a plug in there. I advise to you try the plug before you put the head on, make sure you can get it to spin in cleanly. If not, you'll need to clean that out some. It may work to spin the plug in as much as possible, back it out, and try again, to keep working it in. Essentially using the plug as a tap.

I don't see anything else wrong with your head.

+1 on the cool looking. I have several sets of bolts with chromed heads, for when I want to build up a machine that looks cool.
Oh I know, before really tightening the head down Im gonna totally clean out that paint alright because chips and little clogs of that paint will bugger-up the plug threads. I'll use a 20 or 12 ga. hard nylon or bronze bore bruse for that, putting the rod in this little B&D drill/driver for that.
I have a small concern but its ju, but Im not going one step backwards again because I have to use those ones tuff for me I guess but I kinda suspect those bolts are stainless but all of my other S.S. bolts dont have grade marks on the head like those do.
I have litteraly bought 75 bolts for this head and those are gonna be the last ones I buy for sure.
These happen to be blue-dipped but they had red & green and a cpl diff colors of dipped bolts. Wonder why?

P.S....Before I do anything I have to find something to test this torque wrench out on.

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Mark,
You and I are in the same boat. I have been traveling to Vanderbilt Neurology in Nashville, TN since April of this year to get my head checked. In fact, I am going back this coming Tuesday to hopefully get my actual diagnosis... my issue is memory problems too PLUS I have lost a great amount of my previous mental sharpness.

I am so glad that you are back on this project. Hopefully, it will be roaring to life soon - unless, you start overthinking things again.
You got it Bud, and I hope your diagnosis is good to. Im afraid if I go I'll never get out.
I have that blood flow prob to my legs N feet to but thats because of wt. and dang smoking.
I gotta go on a diet for sure or Im gonna croak.

People I went to scool used to compliment me because I always looked so much younger than they did and I would say jokingly and for modesty as well " well thanks but all that means is I'll prolly fall apart all at once lol" and thats EXACTLY whats happened!
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BTW, Anyone want try to help on a/the proper sequence to putting all of this stuff back on this thing? I know without some assistance I'll wind up putting things on and having to take them back off who knows how many times before getting it right.
I figure after head gets bolted on here in a cpl mins ( removing paint from plug hole & painting sum anti-seize on bolts w/small acid brush first) I'll either put manifolds on ( exh & intake/carb) then prolly the fuel cell and fan encasement w/pulley ( I make-up these terms incase noone has noticed lol) and after that Im sure it will be a day.......if I get that far wich is debatable lol.
I have a heck of a lot of small things to locate, if its smaller than my thumb I have to find it and thats when the wrenches get thrown thru the fence.
Any 'coaching' will be greatly appreciated.

Oh yea, I guess 20 lbs. torque aint much because I twisted in two two of the horizontal long bolts w/nuts that are beside the valve covers at the end of the 'block' I guess it would be, where the jug bolts on. I heard a faint 'click' but thought "is that it?" and kept going and they snapped. So next time I just stopped at the click and thats what Im gonna go with.
If it looses compression or crap/fuel vapor comes out tween the head and jug I'll know what it is.

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Before you bolt on the head, make sure those washers are hardened.
You do NOT want to use soft washers on head bolts.
(They look soft to me.)

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Before you bolt on the head, make sure those washers are hardened.
You do NOT want to use soft washers on head bolts.
(They look soft to me.)
Hey Dan, when I got the washers they said "for use with the bolts I got" in so many words, forgot exactly what they said verbatim lol.
But its on now, my only thing w/it is I dont really trust the torque wrench or my use of it perhaps because sometimes it would hang-up ( act like it didnt wanna turn like a ratchet acts like theirs not enuf resistance or something, and sometimes I wasnt sure I heard a click and things got pretty tight so I stopped and sometimes it worked smooth as could be.
But its on and Im not about to re-visit it unless theres a catastrophic failure because Ive been on this head all & all for a year!
Now for 11 mos out of that year I just soaked on it and let it drive me crazy & to scared to touch it untill I said a cpl weeks ago "h311 with it" and just did it. So all I can do now is hope its gonna work.
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P.S., Didnt hear any cracking like last time though...might when it gets hot from running but not yet and that puts me one step ahead from last attempt.
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