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post #31 of 65 Old 11-04-2018, 01:18 PM
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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

Now, there is a 3/8" version of the tie rod ends with the grease fittings, but you will have to shorten your tie rods and still fix your loose steering arm.

I have to go out now, but later I can post more details about the 3/8" version. Years ago I sold both 1/2" and 3/8" tie rod end conversion kits.

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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

18G/20G steering arm:

https://www.jackssmallengines.com/ja.../part/08763600

18G/20G tie rod:

https://www.jackssmallengines.com/ja.../part/08655900

These are the parts you need along with the McMaster Carr parts to upgrade the whole thing to 18G/20G specs.

Have to run, more latter.

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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

Fantastic info Sheldon. Thank you.

I've made a note to order the 1/2" upgraded steering rods (Gravely) and ends with seals (McMaster Carr) as well as a pivot tube and bolt. I'm going to head out to the garage shortly to pull that steering arm off the top of the spindle to check condition of both. I've done three over the years and two of them the arms were chewed up but the spindle was as new. The third had both parts worn/damaged. I'll cross my fingers that it's the arm only.... I'm betting that spindle might be pricey...

The locknut on one end of the linkage is a great tip. That's something I easily/likely would have overlooked during assembly.

Also, I mounted the 22F battery last night. Fits like a glove

As noted prior... I'm going to leave the seat safety switch bypassed as it currently is. But I did confirm that the forward/reverse switch has been bypassed as well.... that I'm going to want to repair. I'm just wondering if it was bypassed as a quick fix (broken switch?) or as a convenience by the prior owner? I can't see a convenience benefit myself and if it was a failed switch that will be easy enough to test with a multimeter. Will also check the pto safety switch.

Will report back shortly.

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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

My finding so far....

I went to remove the top nut that holds the steering arm on the spindle weldment. It was finger tight... and with no exaggeration... I used my thumb and index finger to spin it off. I pulled the arm and found what look like nice sharp splines on both the arm and the spindle. So I though this is weird... let's have a look at the good side. The nut was on tight. I mean like gorilla tight. I took it off (with my gorilla like strength, lol) to have a look. Same nice sharp splines. So when I lay both arms and top of the spindles and run on the nut they both wiggle a little when i tighten the nut with my fingers. I little bit of torque with the wrench makes the wiggle mostly disappear and I'm sure if I put back the crazy amount of torque that seemed like was on the good side they'd be fine.

I guess my question is this, how much torque should the nuts need (couldn't find it spec'd in any of my manuals). And, is it okay to have a little wiggle when they're just finger tight?

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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

Pete, that is good news, but I would strongly suggest you spring for the longer, heavier 18G/20G arms. BECAUSE they have a thru bolt that clamps them to the splines - check out my pictures - and they are longer, making your steering effort lower. The longer arm may even be necessary to really get the proper geometry with the larger tie rods and ends?

I would say the stock 16G arms need to be tight enough not to move......

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Sheldon..... Done. I will purchase the upgraded steering arms tomorrow
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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

Okay,

I ordered the ends and seals from McMaster Carr.

I'm currently in the process of ordering the; upgraded steering arms, rods, and pivot tube from Jacks Small Engines. Question, Should i order the 18G spec bolts that will mount the upgraded steering rod ends (McMaster Carr) to the steering arms? Not sure if they're the same diameter and length as the factory spec bolts?

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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

You will need:

Two 1/2-20 jam nuts
Four 1/2- 13 x 2-1/4 GR5 or GR8 bolts w/lock washers and nyloc locking nuts

You can get these anywhere.

The lock washers will go between the tie rod ends and the steering arms as spacers.

These are exactly what GRAVELY spec'd for the 18G/20G and are standard hardware items.

They will work fine with the McMaster Carr parts.

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Thanks very much, Sheldon for the detailed info. All the parts are ordered.

My next big request will be to show me how to set the governor to full power. I know it's in your improvements thread but I may need a bit of hand holding....

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Thanks very much, Sheldon for the detailed info. All the parts are ordered.

My next big request will be to show me how to set the governor to full power. I know it's in your improvements thread but I may need a bit of hand holding....

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No worries. Do you have a photo tachometer?

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I have one of these. Will this work?

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While Im waiting for the steering parts to arrive I decided to do some more cleaning last night. I decided to focus mostly on the motor. While cleaning I found what had been causing a buzzing rattle that was coming from the engine area.... I have a sheared off bolt head that holds the left had side tin on. Im not sure what the best approach will be for removal but I started by soaking it with Kroil last night. Ill continue to make sure it stays soaked for the next few days until until I get a chance to address it.

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Re: Difference Between a 16G and an 18G?

Haven't heard any replies. I guess I'll use an EZ Out for the sheared bolt.
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Just saw your post, yes, try a screw extractor. Left handed drill bits are helpful too.
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Just saw your post, yes, try a screw extractor. Left handed drill bits are helpful too.
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Sheldon, Thanks very much for the confirmation. I've had that bolt soaking for days now. It has a jagged lip on it so as a test I gave it a very light counter clockwise tap with a punch and a hammer and there was a bit of movement. I'm going to let it soak for the rest of the day and see if I can unscrew it tonight. I may not even have to drill it I'm hoping
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