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post #76 of 112 Old 02-07-2018, 08:23 AM
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Same here w/the LI. I didnt get as many goodies as you did the dual adapters are something I really needed and would have had to get anyway and they are on E bay for $80 to $95 ! Heck there is a pair on there now that says one of them is cracked for $65. Then w/the hopefully good magneto, carb, plow and I almost forgot the sickle (sp?) type chopper to are well worth the $300 I paid for it.
I hope my bolts for duals are OK if not I hope I can find some at TSC or Hdwre store or if worse comes to worse I can get them from a supplier for Gravely parts...Take care
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Yes, you certainly got your money's worth for that deal!

Just in case you have to purchase bolts for the dual wheels, the two sizes required are as follows:
3/8-16 X 3-1/2" hex bolt (3 required)
3/8-16 X 5/8" hex bolt (3 required - these are the bolts you have to remove in order to install the dual wheel spacer)

Tractor Supply will definitely have the 3/8-16 X 3-1/2" bolts
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Wouldn’t it be six required?

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Wouldn’t it be six required?
Yes, three required per side - a total of six of each is necessary. I had good intentions but my follow through was not very well executed... sorry! Again, I am going to blame the puppy, Gravelee, for this since I am not getting much sleep.

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Hey guys dont the 3 long bolts you are describing take the place of the 3 short bolts that would normally bolt the two-piece rims to the hubs?
I actually started to put my new rims, tires & tubes all together the other day and looked over at my latest purchase the LI and noticed I didnt see any hubs and went 'whaaaat"? So I just scrubbed the mission . I wasnt real confused but I just didnt want to go any further untill I checked out what was going on but the adapters dont affect my rims & tires other than the long bolts that I recon go through the rims and adapters and then to the hubs right?
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Yea,..you can think of the adaptors as outer “hubs” on which you put the second tire.
The three long bolts attach the adaptors to the machine’s hub,....with the inboard tire/rim clamped between.
It’s it’s kind of a neat design really,...and they add weight too, which is nice.
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Yea,..you can think of the adaptors as outer “hubs” on which you put the second tire.
The three long bolts attach the adaptors to the machine’s hub,....with the inboard tire/rim clamped between.
It’s it’s kind of a neat design really,...and they add weight too, which is nice.
OK great, I guess a cleaning and some paint & cleaning up bolts if not getting new ones ( wich is more likley what I would do unless they are real nice) because Im about to get on the net beit on e bay or GT'S or Richards and get about $159 worth of Gravely small parts like those bolts and when I get that L done its gonna be nice . Ive already got $800 worth of stuff to put on it anyway I bet.
Cant wait, I just hope I dont need a new magneto. So are they hard to put one of those kits in? And if a kit goes in one is that almost as good as a new one and does it serve as a rebuild?
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OK great, I guess a cleaning and some paint & cleaning up bolts if not getting new ones ( wich is more likley what I would do unless they are real nice) because Im about to get on the net beit on e bay or GT'S or Richards and get about $159 worth of Gravely small parts like those bolts and when I get that L done its gonna be nice . Ive already got $800 worth of stuff to put on it anyway I bet.
Cant wait, I just hope I dont need a new magneto. So are they hard to put one of those kits in? And if a kit goes in one is that almost as good as a new one and does it serve as a rebuild?
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Tortie was spot on, as usual, with his explanation. In case you need them here are the assembly instructions for the dual wheels - https://www.gravelymanuals.com/pdf/D...struc_0473.pdf. You will see that you have to rotate the adapter to a location that clears the valve stem on the inner tire/wheel. If it were me and I needed to purchase SIX new long bolts for the adapters, I would get those from Tractor Supply - since you buy those based on weight, I would imagine that it would be less than one pound for what you need (0.8 lbs from what I saw).

Didn't you get an extra magneto with your last purchase? I bought one cheap off of Ebay and all it needed was some points cleaning and a new condenser to bring it back to life.

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Now...if you ever deal with an older L the hubs are different.

This is the early style Hub
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The rims that came with the later stye hub has three bolts that attach the rim to the hub, the other three bolts are actually splined pins with nuts on the other end, by the way the nuts always face in. The early rims required all six fasteners to be threaded into the hub. With the early rim it was best to deflate the tire before removing it from the hub.


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Tortie was spot on, as usual, with his explanation. In case you need them here are the assembly instructions for the dual wheels - https://www.gravelymanuals.com/pdf/D...struc_0473.pdf. You will see that you have to rotate the adapter to a location that clears the valve stem on the inner tire/wheel. If it were me and I needed to purchase SIX new long bolts for the adapters, I would get those from Tractor Supply - since you buy those based on weight, I would imagine that it would be less than one pound for what you need (0.8 lbs from what I saw).

Didn't you get an extra magneto with your last purchase? I bought one cheap off of Ebay and all it needed was some points cleaning and a new condenser to bring it back to life.
Great! Those instructions are exactly what I need and was about to ask you if you could locate something for me since you always post that kind of stuff anyway. Quickly tho because I wanna get back to whats goin on as soon as I got my L I got on e-bay and ordered what said was " every Gravely shop or instruction manual they ever made, like 117 of them" and it came in on DVD's and someone said "its in PDF " or whatever and I guess I need to get help installing it or whatever, I'll take this laptop up to my sons soon and see about it.
Now back to the 'binnus' at hand I will get my bolts at TSC just because it will take a matter of minutes to do it, so what # of hardness should I get them in as it says on the bin they are in normally.
First thing I gotta do it get those dang new tires and tubes on the new 2 pc. rims w/the new bolts I have for those.
And yes the LI came w/its magneto and 'tween' the two of them I should be able to produce one good one if I knew what I was doing anyway.
And you are right about Tortie as he definatly knows his stuff.
Thanks a lot. And as usual here its a 99% chance of pizz pouring rain all weekend, God if this winter doesn't stop soon Im gonna rip out what little hair I have left lol!
But in reality we still have half of Feb. and all March pretty much. Im not wasting one minute this summer and Im gonna buy every old Gravely I see.
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Now...if you ever deal with an older L the hubs are different.

This is the early style Hub
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This is the hub used later on, notice any difference?
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The rims that came with the later stye hub has three bolts that attach the rim to the hub, the other three bolts are actually splined pins with nuts on the other end, by the way the nuts always face in. The early rims required all six fasteners to be threaded into the hub. With the early rim it was best to deflate the tire before removing it from the hub.


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Thanks for that info and pics and luckily my L has the latter ones on the bottom of the page and I haven't really seen the ones on the LI
being way back in there w/the duals it came with. All I see without really looking is hollow outside wheels or rims I guess. But that sucker is a donor tractor for now at least. Its a 58' I think G-64 said but I will have to go back and look but it has a 'M' on ser# and a 'B" on the manufact # and he said that told him what it was. But I have seen those different hubs before but Im glad my main one has the later ones.
Thanks, I needed to know that as they are not compatable Im sure as far as using them both together.
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Altho I do have two magneto's I have two 50+ yr. old magnetos as well and I just looked on GT's site and they have a kit w/about everything you could cram in that thing gasket and all for $40 and that assurance that I wont have to get a call from my son when I give this thing to him two weeks later and hear "this thing wont start/run" .
But with 8 or 10 new parts it should be like a new one shouldnt it?
I know it seems like I just throw money away and I dont have much but I just dont know enough about some things (esp anything that has to do w/electronics for sure) to take chances because if say that would happen Im talking about ordering either another one and we know what that cost or ordering the parts kit and having to spend an entire day off ( week end day) to go to his house and do it then but I'd like to have one mag that I know is good and would that kit ensure that?
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I will get my bolts at TSC just because it will take a matter of minutes to do it, so what # of hardness should I get them in as it says on the bin they are in normally.
The grade 2 silver bolts are plenty good enough to hold the Gravely rims in place. The darker colored bolts are grade 5. They are tougher bolts, a little more expensive. You can use them if you like, but I have used the grade 2 with no problems.

If you have some bolts laying around and want to know what grade they are, look at the head of the bolt. The grade 2 bolts will have a plain smooth head. When you are in the store look at the darker grade 5 bolts, they will have 3 lines on the head of each bolt. They do have grade 8 bolts also, they will have many lines on the head of the bolt.
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The grade 2 silver bolts are plenty good enough to hold the Gravely rims in place. The darker colored bolts are grade 5. They are tougher bolts, a little more expensive. You can use them if you like, but I have used the grade 2 with no problems.

If you have some bolts laying around and want to know what grade they are, look at the head of the bolt. The grade 2 bolts will have a plain smooth head. When you are in the store look at the darker grade 5 bolts, they will have 3 lines on the head of each bolt. They do have grade 8 bolts also, they will have many lines on the head of the bolt.
Witch ones are the best ones though, the cost don't matter w/a buck here and there but sometimes the softer ones may have some give to them before breaking something else but I just wanna get whats the best cause my son is rough as heck on things.
Everyone always said I could tear-up an anvil with a feather but he out does me by far.
So it comes down to do I buy the best ones once or buy the next-to-the best ones 2 or 3 times.
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Oh yea, I plan on going outside tomorrow and taking the duals off the LI because I not only want to inspect, clean and paint the adapters but to get a measurement on the long bolts that the adapters use.
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The yellow bolts are grade 8 while the greenish are grade 5, won’t make much a difference for the rims but the coating will resist corrosion better.


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Witch ones are the best ones though, the cost don't matter w/a buck here and there but sometimes the softer ones may have some give to them before breaking something else but I just wanna get whats the best cause my son is rough as heck on things.
Everyone always said I could tear-up an anvil with a feather but he out does me by far.
So it comes down to do I buy the best ones once or buy the next-to-the best ones 2 or 3 times.
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Oh yea, I plan on going outside tomorrow and taking the duals off the LI because I not only want to inspect, clean and paint the adapters but to get a measurement on the long bolts that the adapters use.
Your question made me curious. I had always heard that the Grade 8 were more brittle so I took a quick look. One site quickly dispelled the 'rumor' (Grade 5 vs Grade 8 Fasteners - TineLok) whereas a second site (Killing the myth of the Grade 5 bolt. ? Industrial Chassis Inc.) embraced this brittleness factor. In fact, additional searching revealed that there is considerable discussion, debate, and arguments over this very topic all over the Internet. Given the size you need (3/8-16) and the application of securing dual wheels, I suspect that either one would serve you well... in my opinion. I think that Gravely used Grade 5 bolts for this application (I will double check mine later today to see). Proper torquing is the key!

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