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post #1 of 21 Old 01-22-2018, 01:46 AM Thread Starter
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Utility scoop

cmeyers77 suggested I start a thread on my utility scoop with photos.

I bought the scoop and release rod assembly at the 2014 Mow In from two separate people. I have no idea who built it or if the release rod assembly (a Gravely item) was intended for a utility scoop but it works for me. Not shown in the photos is that I added a bolt to the back of the mounting plate to keep the dog gear from sliding forward and a long spring from the control rod to the handlebar to keep the release lever more upright by taking the slack out of the linkage. I keep the spring loaded release mechanism on the scoop well oiled. It works best with dirt and compost. I have hauled fairly full loads of rocks but it takes a lot of down pressure on the handlebars. Also when scooping rocks it tends to ride up over rocks and not scrape the ground clean. Someone did their homework on balancing the rotation of the scoop. The weight of the empty scoop could be a little heavier since with a full tank of gas on a manual pull start Model L it almost wants to tip back. It would need a lot more empty weight to run with a Kohler powered Gravely.
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post #2 of 21 Old 01-22-2018, 09:50 AM
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Re: Utility scoop

Thanks! The original Gravely Utility Scoops did have a release that used a shifting lever on the left handlebar and similar rod to release the scoop.

I like this design, this gives me something to work with seeing how itís all put together.

Thanks for putting this up.


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post #3 of 21 Old 01-22-2018, 10:11 AM
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Re: Utility scoop

Thanks for posting the pics. I have a utility scoop that came with the L8 but have never used it. Looking at your pic, I can see that it will scoop up a nice load of dirt.

I'll be using mine this spring to move some dirt from where it's dropped to where I'll be spreading it. I'm going to try it out with the 814 and front adapter.


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post #4 of 21 Old 01-22-2018, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Utility scoop

The utility scoop is one of my favorite toys - er, attachments. In order to dump the scoop the attachment plate needs to be tilted up. If you can get that much tilt from a rider front attachment kit then you are in business. The pin in my scoop has two latching positions, scoop horizontal for scooping and transporting and scoop vertical for dumping and spreading.

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Mine has the factory dumping mechanism. I don't think it can be locked in vertically for spreading like yours can. That's a nice feature to have.


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Re: Utility scoop

This scoop looks like a great attachment.

I would think someone could build one and post some plans. Or just post some dimensions. Many online metal places will cut custom dimensions of steel to within 1/8Ē. Yes, shipping isnít cheap, but the convenience of not having to cut your own steel may justify the cost.
My guess would be a home owner 110v MIG welder(with gas) would be adequate to weld this together with multiple passes.

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This scoop looks like a great attachment.



I would think someone could build one and post some plans. Or just post some dimensions. Many online metal places will cut custom dimensions of steel to within 1/8Ē. Yes, shipping isnít cheap, but the convenience of not having to cut your own steel may justify the cost.

My guess would be a home owner 110v MIG welder(with gas) would be adequate to weld this together with multiple passes.



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Jet A, thatís exactly what Iím thinking of doing. I need to speak with my local machine shop to see
about purchasing and bending the metal.


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Re: Utility scoop

Before anyone starts building one I recommend taking a look at an official Gravely scoop for comparison. The official Gravely scoop is built around a flat metal frame vs my pipe frame. I think their release mechanism isn't as complicated as mine but may not latch in the dumped position. There are probably several people regularly active on MTF who have official Gravely scoops and could post photos like I did. There are also several YouTube videos of official Gravely scoops in action and one could contact their owners. Here is an MTF post from someone who sold one not too long ago. https://www.mytractorforum.com/5130074-post1.html The new owner probably still has it. Mine is likely a one-of-a-kind built by a talented person.

Scoops do show up for sale from time to time if you are not in a hurry. When I bought mine at a Mow In there were three or four for sale by different vendors and I chose the most complete/best condition one even though it wasn't an official Gravely scoop. I have been to other Gravely Mow Ins and swap meets where there were none. The new scoop Ariens is selling as an Ariens Gravely scoop appears to be a Craftsman scoop that probably doesn't mate up to a 4 bolt Gravely advance casting.

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Re: Utility scoop

Exactly, yes definitely need some dimensions.
Anyone have an official scoop to measure?

Corey, I was thinking of welding flat sheets together to avoid bending. I would like to hear the price on a bend though may be cheaper.

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Re: Utility scoop

A curved scoop keeps the back surface of the scoop closer to the frame when rotating. A 90 degree corner in the scoop would need more clearance for the corner to clear the frame. A scoop with several flat pieces to simulate a curve might work but is much more cutting and welding.

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Re: Utility scoop

[QUOTE=Jet-A;11580818]Exactly, yes definitely need some dimensions.
Anyone have an official scoop to measure?


I have a complete factory scoop, but I won't be heading to where it is until sometime next week. If no one has posted any pics, or measurements by then I'll pull it out and take some pics, and measurements.


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Re: Utility scoop

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Exactly, yes definitely need some dimensions.
Anyone have an official scoop to measure?


I have a complete factory scoop, but I won't be heading to where it is until sometime next week. If no one has posted any pics, or measurements by then I'll pull it out and take some pics, and measurements.
I have one too. Not many pics either. Im gonna move some stuff around today I'll pull it out then. and grab some better pics and finally do a vid. Need to put a handle bar on the 70 C8 to use it anyhow. Also need to paint said handle bar to match

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Alrighty hopefully these will do gentlemen

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Basically the same other than stock is based off c-channel and doesn't lock in dumped position

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Re: Utility scoop

Thanks for getting them, Steve. My scoop is buried!

Paul, I was looking at your pics again. Whoever put your scoop together did a nice job. I still like the locked dump position option too.


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A curved scoop keeps the back surface of the scoop closer to the frame when rotating. A 90 degree corner in the scoop would need more clearance for the corner to clear the frame. A scoop with several flat pieces to simulate a curve might work but is much more cutting and welding.
Yes, all valid points.

We just donít have access to the 150 ton press Gravely probably used to bend that scoop to such a nice curve so some changes may have to be made.

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