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post #106 of 129 Old 05-31-2017, 04:08 PM Thread Starter
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The culprit. It moves slightly in there, which u assumed it would we designed to do? Any way to ensure it doesn't get left in the yard again?
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Bend the aluminum in over it in a couple places with a screwdriver and hammer.

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Bend the aluminum in over it in a couple places with a screwdriver and hammer.
JB Weld is more suitable...

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post #109 of 129 Old 05-31-2017, 06:47 PM Thread Starter
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Does that stop it from moving? Is it even supposed to move?

No matter, I rigged it up and drove around a bit more. Then had issues with the fuel delivery. While cranking it, heard something give way & that was that... Starter motor spins, but nothing else. Going to get into it on Friday (day off) & see what I broke. Hoping it's just the gear that's easily visible when that tin is off.

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Any leaks at that point will cause a lean condition, not to mention dirt ingestion. JB Weld it solid...it can always be removed either cutting or heating.

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FYI, mine (16hp Briggs) is JB Welded for that very reason.

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Honestly I hate this carb design. Mine is really hit or miss when it comes to starting, and I suspect the carb because it has the coil with the module on it that's brand new so I don't see how it could be spark. And when it starts it runs great. The original carb on mine had that little spring valve on the choke plate come off so I bought one of those cheap 50$ ones off ebay and have been using it. It seems to work ok but I kinda want to just drop the 200$ for the actual Briggs carb. Some day.

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Honestly I hate this carb design. Mine is really hit or miss when it comes to starting, and I suspect the carb because it has the coil with the module on it that's brand new so I don't see how it could be spark. And when it starts it runs great. The original carb on mine had that little spring valve on the choke plate come off so I bought one of those cheap 50$ ones off ebay and have been using it. It seems to work ok but I kinda want to just drop the 200$ for the actual Briggs carb. Some day.
Ask around, I found a Briggs carb from another Gravely owner. I've heard the knockoffs aren't worth buying.

Mine has always taken a lot of cranking to fire, but always starts. It didn't matter which carb, they both took a while to fire...

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So after being crushed by allergies the week after getting parts in that mail, I'm back to it on this starter. First order is finding that bits that went flying, which are in the engine shroud area...

How the heck do I get thr flywheel off & the tins? Screen off, two bolts off, but not budging!



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Can you actually see starter parts scattered around? If not, I would pull the starter first, and see if the Bendix gear might just be getting hung up on the shaft and not engaging the flywheel when you turn the key. They sometimes get crudded up with dirt, and old grease, and then they don't travel the length of the starter shaft like they are supposed to.

If you do see parts, I would remove the tins before pulling the flywheel. You may be able to retrieve the parts without having to pull it. You will find bolts running through the tins and bolted to the block at various locations. Removing them will free up the tins for removal.

Finally, "pulling" the flywheel is what you will have to do if it is necessary. You will need to use a puller on it, which is why I would try to retrieve anything that needs to be retrieved without having to pull it if possible.

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Got to where I needed to (patience isn't a strong suit)! Yeah, there were definitely parts scattered about. The spring & a washer were stuck to the edge of the flywheel, which I was able to clean off after getting through tins off. Idk if I actually removed the flywheel, but I had to remove the screen & orange flywheel to get the tins off. Trying to figure out what holds the new parts on now, after a thorough cleaning of everything.

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What I had to get down to (and before cleaning it out). And the new starter. Seems like they included this small metal clamp, but the piece it should attach to doesn't really have a groove for it to clamp to.
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I haven't had any Briggs powered tractors, so I don't know what you would have had to remove besides the screen. The flywheel is still in place though (it has the cooling fins, and is gears around it's circumference. That's the thing you would need to use a puller on if you ever needed to remove it.

As for the starter Bendix, again, not knowing Briggs engines, I can't say exactly where that retainer clip would go. It does look like the starter shaft is threaded it the end which would mean that a nut, or threaded cap should be threaded on. I have to wonder if the retainer clip may be for a different starter.

Also, with the circular metal part in that position, it looks like the starter gear wouldn't be able to fully engage, or mesh with the flywheel gear. Hopefully somebody with a Briggs engine can clear this all up for you.


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That clip is what's currently the hold up. Included a picture, but there doesn't seem to be any groove that the clip would even sit in. Not a clue.

Wondering if I can replace that rod with something for it to clip into, or just buying a new starter all together.

The plastic sprocket (is that the bendix?) just has enough room to fully engage with the metal cap in place... But just barely.
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The combined assy. that fits over the starter shaft is part of, and makes up the Bendix unit. Well, the new pic shows that the shaft is definitely not threaded. I know you're chomping at the bit, but I would wait a little bit to see if somebody who knows these starters can clear things up for you one way or the other. Maybe somebody will be by tonight.

Just looking at the shaft end again. It's possible that the retainer clip is supposed to but up against the outer lip of the shaft. It would explain the leading edge of the shaft being tapered in order to make slipping the retainer clip over it, and into position easier. It looks like there isn't much of a lip there though.


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