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post #1 of 26 Old 03-04-2017, 02:25 AM Thread Starter
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putting together new split rims, tubes & tires

Altho Im not going to mount these new tires & rims to L model untill other work gets done like cleaning sump and other things that are accessible now that they are off of it I have two new split-rims (4 halves) & two new tubes and two new tires that have to be assembeled and I tried to find video's on doing it but they dont seem to be anywhere I can find them other than some guy that is doing it on the concrete stomping on it and using a pry bar and all of that but I dont want to do that w/my new stuff at this point and was frankly gonna try it on the carpet in the house. Ive brought my little 3 gal/100 P.S.I. air compressor in here B4 to blow out my window fan and such so thats no biggie, I mean it has a carrying handle on it.
Anyhow I was thinking about putting just a small amt of air in the tubes as I have read just enuf to give it some kind of form other than like a rag that could get caught in the 'bead' of the two rims.
Let me try this again, after what I described above could I possibly just use half of a rim and lay the tube in it w/valve stem in the hole and then put the tire on the half rim w/tube in place then put the other half of rim , basicially making a sandwich with the first half rim being a piece of bread and the tube and tire being the contents and the other half of a rim being the top piece of bread and then bolt them together and doing everything gently of course try to see if the tube will take air and crowd the tire into place.
Im thinking since its all new and Im not breaking them down and all of that it might just be able to work...unless Im in dream world or something. But does all this sound possible?
The weather is crazy around here in the last week and its like 28 deg. and the wind has been blowing at almost a steady 35 to 40 mph and you cant do anything outside exept pick up all of the tree branches that are everywhere and finding your trash cans half a block down the street.
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Re: putting together new split rims, tubes & tires

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I, too, have no experience with putting Gravely wheels and tires together… so you may be wondering what I could possibly have to add??? I have done several for my ATV so there are some similarities. If it were me, I would do this outside. Get a piece of cardboard and lay it down. Dry fit the tire to this half to make sure the tire is correctly oriented to the valve stem (you do not want to install the tire in the wrong direction!) Liberally apply dishwashing detergent to the bead area of both wheel halves – make sure that you get the entire circumference. Next, place the wheel half that has the hole for the valve stem face down. Grab your new tire and place the tube inside of it (being neat as to not have any folds). Position this assembly of the wheel half and insert the valve stem through the hole. Get the second half of the wheel assembly and place it on top of the lower wheel and tire/tube and start the three wheel bolts (the ones that hold the wheel halves together (not those that secure the wheel to the axle hub). Wiggle it around to make sure that nothing is pinching (in regards to the tube!). Now, tighten the nuts. Connect your air compressor and slowly inflate the tube and wait/watch/listen for the tire to seat on the beads. This generally takes more air pressure than the recommended inflation pressure so after both sides seat properly and uniformly around the periphery of the wheel, deflate the tire to the recommended pressure listed on the tire.

Others may have more wisdom to add but this is a starting point for you.

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Many new tubes do not have a 'offset' stem as did the old Goodyear tubes. That make installation a bit more difficult, but very doable. If you do not already have a valve stem tool, they are cheap and a worthwhile investment.

Remove the Shrader valve from the stem, insert tube in tire, inflate just enough to size tube to tire, deflate. Check to see if the stem is offset to one side, that is the side to take the rim half with stem hole. Place that half rim in tire and stem in hole. Place second rim in place and assemble one nut and bolt in rims. If your new tires have a tread direction, insure that both tires are set up for both sides of the tractor, stems out.

Now I use two tapered pins to align the other two holes while snugging the first bolt, being careful not to pinch the deflated tube. Remove one tapered pin, install second nut and bolt, repeat. Air up again and deflate, the tube should be seated properly now. Install Shrader valve and inflate to 10 to 15 psi.

With new tires and rims, the rims should just drop in. You can use some Murphy's oil soap to lubricate stubborn tires.

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Re: putting together new split rims, tubes & tires

Thanks both of you, and I do have a 'tire kit' that has a bunch of new valve stems and a little cross shaped tool for various things and a stem remover on it to. I didnt think of the stem untill it was mentioned here and Im certain its in my truck.
@ Fireant, I was gonna ask if I should actually put a bead of some kind of sealant between the halves or just leave them as a dry-fit thing.
And to anyone reading this, as far as the bolt holes go they are all evenly spaced meaning as long as I use them in an every-other hole scenario /triangle fashion it does not matter about wich ones I use in respect to bolting the rim halves together or leave empty the ones that bolt onto the hub of tractor right?
If this makes any sense to anyone that is.
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Thanks both of you, and I do have a 'tire kit' that has a bunch of new valve stems and a little cross shaped tool for various things and a stem remover on it to. I didnt think of the stem untill it was mentioned here and Im certain its in my truck.
@ Fireant, I was gonna ask if I should actually put a bead of some kind of sealant between the halves or just leave them as a dry-fit thing.
And to anyone reading this, as far as the bolt holes go they are all evenly spaced meaning as long as I use them in an every-other hole scenario /triangle fashion it does not matter about wich ones I use in respect to bolting the rim halves together or leave empty the ones that bolt onto the hub of tractor right?
If this makes any sense to anyone that is.
Gerrard,
Definitely use no sealant! See, just like I postulated earlier, someone with much more knowledge did come along. Where have you been beaner2u? Gerrard and I will certainly run astray if we do not have someone here guiding us... well, I know that is true for me

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And to anyone reading this, as far as the bolt holes go they are all evenly spaced meaning as long as I use them in an every-other hole scenario /triangle fashion it does not matter about wich ones I use in respect to bolting the rim halves together or leave empty the ones that bolt onto the hub of tractor right?
If this makes any sense to anyone that is.
It only matters if you intend to use dual-wheel adapters. The Gravely cast iron adapters are bolted on outside the first tire through the rim holes where the mounting bolts go. They have a spot for the stem of the inside tire, and if you pick the wrong three holes it won't align. If you have no need for the duals, it doesn't matter. You can imagine how I figured this out.

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It only matters if you intend to use dual-wheel adapters. The Gravely cast iron adapters are bolted on outside the first tire through the rim holes where the mounting bolts go. They have a spot for the stem of the inside tire, and if you pick the wrong three holes it won't align. If you have no need for the duals, it doesn't matter. You can imagine how I figured this out.

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Gerrard,
Definitely use no sealant!
Right. The tire has a tube, the wheel doesn't need to be airtight. You'd never get it to seal anyway, the material is way too soft, and distorts under load.

It is annoying when you discover that the bolts are in the wrong holes for duals. But it only takes a few minutes to move them around. I've done that a time or two

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Thanks again everyone but Im gonna have to deal w/the dual set-up much later on than I expected because I spent a grip ($) on something else I promised myself I wasnt gonna buy but did. I feel bad about it mostly because I was supposed to buy the adapters from someone on here and 'kinda' backed-out for the time being but in another way I will still get them if he still has them when I do buy them.
But that also drives me crazy because all I do need now are the adapters because I have four tires and four complete rims, and three of the tires are brand spanking new and the one that is not new still holds air and does have some tread and will be fine for awhile Im sure (see pics of it on more than one thread) so all I need is roughly $100 and it can be done. Man there is always some dilemma with me and this tractor, its driving me crazy !
Hey Daryl have you seen my pics on the 'head thread?" The new parts I have put together? If not check it out.
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...Hey Daryl have you seen my pics on the 'head thread?" The new parts I have put together? If not check it out.
Gerrard,
Yes, I have seen those pictures! I am very meticulous with details but lacking in my organization skills – I should try to neatly lay out things as you did. This would certainly simplify me looking all over the place for the governor spring… instead of being with the other governor components, someone decided it should be stored in a separate tub along the wall of my shed. Of all the Gravelys that I know, yours is my third favorite (behind, of course, my two units). Did you have a chance to check the flatness of your head yet? The weather is much nicer today than last weekend – have you removed that wheel hub to inspect the oil sump?

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Yes, I have seen those pictures! I am very meticulous with details but lacking in my organization skills – I should try to neatly lay out things as you did. This would certainly simplify me looking all over the place for the governor spring… instead of being with the other governor components, someone decided it should be stored in a separate tub along the wall of my shed. Of all the Gravelys that I know, yours is my third favorite (behind, of course, my two units). Did you have a chance to check the flatness of your head yet? The weather is much nicer today than last weekend – have you removed that wheel hub to inspect the oil sump?
Oh Im not THAT organized, I just gathered it all for the pics but since I havn't done anything to it in the winter it was all in a few boxes it came in and finding the old stuff I removed from it outside will be another story for sure.
And unfortuneatly I have to fix my chimney today but Im off tomorrow because I broke my glasses friday night and have to get new ones wich requires a new examination.
I did check on it yesterday to pick up everything the wind has blown all over and found that the hub on the right has about an inch or less of play in it and the one on the left seems not to have any. I hope thats kinda normal because if its not then it'll give when it gives because Im not spending another summer on this thing.
Dont get me wrong I would like to have one to work on every day from now on just for the hobby effect but I have to get this one finished but for now time Im not going to go out there and mess with the sump untill I have an entire weekend to dedicate to it weather and all because I dont want to go out there and remove that ball of gears out of it and have to cover it up w/a towell and go back a week or two later because as I said earlier I have enough stuff scattered out there that I have to get together and sort out as it is.
As lame as this must sound Im really pressed for time because of my work scedule accompanied with ansomnia (I sleep 12 hrs. a week if Im lucky and drive 400+ miles a night) and fall asleep driving three times a night usually getting woke up by rumble strips on opposite side of road Im driving on meaning I have already crossed the road. A cpl yrs ago I woke up 50' from cars at a stop light and yes I plowed into them going 53 mph (according to bug gps on van) but I had been driving 13+ hrs a day and I warned my employers about what was happening but they just grinned, well to say the least I wiped the smile off their faces when that happened so I need to get eyes checked out again and new glasses.But like I was saying I need the season to change big time for the Gravely because Im getting ansy.
I planned on just gathering what I needed in the winter and going out there in spring and just hitting it with all I have untill this sump thing came into play wich is no real big deal and has to be done but I will have to make the time to do it tho. And untill that comes Im still gonna do stuff like sanding & priming the handle bars and scuff-up and prime & paint my new air deflectors and redo my hood and plenty of stuff like that wich I will do one of those things tomorrow when I get back from the appointments I have.
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Oh yea about the head being warped or not I dont really know yet but to look at it w/the naked eye I cant see any any gaps in it but Im sure that wont quite cut it. In this picture its sitting on my cooler w/a towell on the cooler wich I guess would hide a gap or warp in it to.
I actually thot (lazy typer) what if when putting it back on could I get it hot as the hinges of he11 w/my heat gun and then handle it w/some type of tool and bolt it down thinking it could give it some minute flexibility to maybe flatten it out. But I could be dreaming to.
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Many new tubes do not have a 'offset' stem as did the old Goodyear tubes. That make installation a bit more difficult, but very doable. If you do not already have a valve stem tool, they are cheap and a worthwhile investment.

Remove the Shrader valve from the stem, insert tube in tire, inflate just enough to size tube to tire, deflate. Check to see if the stem is offset to one side, that is the side to take the rim half with stem hole. Place that half rim in tire and stem in hole. Place second rim in place and assemble one nut and bolt in rims. If your new tires have a tread direction, insure that both tires are set up for both sides of the tractor, stems out.

Now I use two tapered pins to align the other two holes while snugging the first bolt, being careful not to pinch the deflated tube. Remove one tapered pin, install second nut and bolt, repeat. Air up again and deflate, the tube should be seated properly now. Install Shrader valve and inflate to 10 to 15 psi.

With new tires and rims, the rims should just drop in. You can use some Murphy's oil soap to lubricate stubborn tires.

Roger,
It looks like my valve is off-set to one side, its certainly not in the center of the tube.
P.S.-Could anyone tell me how to 'quote' just a sentence or two instead of the entire post? Thanks for the info about the valve.
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Im glad the valves on my tubes are off set cause thats one thing going in my favor. And about the flatness of the head Im trying to get some sleep right now wich is about impossible anyway and am typing in the dark to make my eyes tired but tomorrow Im gonna put the head on a piece of glass and turn out light and shine a flashlight underneath it and that should certainly expose a gap or warp in it if any light gets through, I mean it has to, or at least close enough to where if a warp is to small to see that way some secure bolts would certainly get it back to true as its being installed unless the installation is what would cause the warpage.
Everytime someone had told me how to tighten down bolts on a head some say do it in a clock wise fashion and some say use the X method as if you were trying to get the air out of something as in to force the last bit of air out of the last area of the last bolt being tightened.
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By comparison look how cruddy it was when removed compared to how it is now. Quite the diff.
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