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post #1 of 23 Old 08-10-2019, 12:04 PM Thread Starter
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DIY tire and tube swap?

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I have 2 sets of Troy Bilt rims with tire mounted. One set is rotted and the other set is starting to show its age. Unfortunately the center mounting hole is different sized. I was hoping to swap the better tires on to the good rims and tube them and I’m wondering if this is a reasonable DIY project. A couple of the tire dealers did not want to deal with this and Walmart will not tube tires. I realize the style tire is not very flexible.
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Re: DIY tire and tube swap?

It iis a miserable job at best. The big problem is holding the wheel steady while working the tire over the rim.
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What I have is a large threaded rod, a couple of nuts and washers. Put the wheel on the rod, lock down with the nuts and washers and clamp the whole deal in a vise. Makes the whole thing like a little tire machine. Use your spoons around the tire and the vise holds it still.

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Don't use the big box stores or major tyre places, instead look for the small "mom & pop" tyre shops. They will do the swaps for cheap. I use the same small gas station in Alabama where I get my ethanol free gas to do the tyre swaps I need. Costs me around $4 a wheel if I take the old tyre with me.
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Don't use the big box stores or major tyre places, instead look for the small "mom & pop" tyre shops. They will do the swaps for cheap. I use the same small gas station in Alabama where I get my ethanol free gas to do the tyre swaps I need. Costs me around $4 a wheel if I take the old tyre with me.
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Our local tire store ordered the frt. tires & tubes for my old Cub over the years, as well as my little Jackson dump trailer for about as cheap as I could get them from Amazon, etc.; plus they mounted them all for free. Good luck.
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Re: DIY tire and tube swap?

When I was putting the 18x8.50-8 V61 HD 5-Rib 6 Ply tires on the front of my GT 18 w/ loader I knew there was no way I was gonna get these mounted whether I use just irons of the HF tire changer. Ordered from local tire shop (a small five store area chain) for couple bucks more online. They they just threw them on the floor, one guy steps on rim and other guy, couple tire irons later they rolled out the door. They made it look easy. No charge, $5 tip. Now my HF changer sits in the corner buried in a pile of "useful" stuff. Cheap two ply, bigger four ply maybe I'd do but small four and six ply, there's no amount of sun to warm them up that will allow me to do it. Now don't all you young 40/50 yr old studs start harping at me about how easy it is. Just hope that when you get to be 74 they still have tire shops around that even know what a tire iron is!
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Re: DIY tire and tube swap?

I was going to suggest that HF tire machine, but it sounds like you guys have the better idea! We have a small engine/auto repair shop in town who did one for me last year for $10. Unfortunately, he didn't have change for my $20 so I told him I'd come back with another one sometime and we'd be even. I haven't done that yet so I'm afraid that he might have forgotten that deal by now, and if he has I hate to have to remind him, so I might be out $10.

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The last ones I did were 18x8.5-8 golf cart tires on my 5.5" wheels. No way will I ever do a set again. Ended up mashing them on with my elbows as I couldn't even get bars in the beads in any useful manner. Elbows were bruised up for a couple weeks. I'll gladly pay someone else and save my curse words for something else.

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What I have is a large threaded rod, a couple of nuts and washers. Put the wheel on the rod, lock down with the nuts and washers and clamp the whole deal in a vise. Makes the whole thing like a little tire machine. Use your spoons around the tire and the vise holds it still.
I do this also. For the narrow rims I can first open my vise to fit over the tire to the edge of the rim and use the vise to break down the tire bead then do as above. But I have a large vise mounted stationery on a stand outside the shop.

For the larger and wider rims, 8 dia inch up to 12 inch I've built steel rings that just fit over the rims and I can jack these down onto the tires to break the bead, 13 inches on up I have a regular tire changer, but I do a lot of my own tires changing for small eq and utility trailers, small tractors, etc.

Not a fun job and requires patience and is a sweaty learning experience first few times you jump into such on the small hard to break down rims.
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I remember a friend who was a mechanic at a tire shop that also did auto repairs,asked me to come help him dismount a tire a local cranberry grower had brought in,off one of their flatbed trailers..

It turned out the tires were freebies from a 747 at Logan airport!..

They were something like 32 plies,each tire & rim weighed about 600+ lbs..
We fought and hammered and beat on that tire for over an hour,it never budged one thousandth of an inch..he called the guy who brought it in,told him "No one in MA has any means to get that tire off,maybe the airport can--not us !"..

They ended up buying new tires..they never came back to get that tire,it sat behind the shop for years,until it was finally sold--I still have the hernia we both got trying to get it in a truck to haul it away..had a hard time finding any scrap or junk yard that would take it for free too!..

I found some airplane tires for a Cesna at the town landfill's tire pile one day--they looked perfect to me,and had very thick tubes too...I scoffed both up and took them home,they were something like 16-6:50 x 6"..just the size I needed for the front of a riding mower..I was elated..
Till I tried mounting them that is...I looked at the printing on the tire sidewall..
"For aircraft use--weight rating,1,650 lbs !...they were like 10 ply rating,stiff as concrete,I struggled with the tire irons for over and hour--by the time I got one on a rim,the rim's outer diameter looked like a flower,I had BENT it so badly with the tire iron!..I battled with the other one almost as long,and finally got it on..inflated them both to 30 psi...next day,both had like 4 lbs in them!..but they were SO stiff,no air was needed at all,you couldn't get a "flat" with those tires!..

I later learned aircraft rims are a two piece type that unbolt...hmmm..no wonder I had suck a hard time mounting them !..

Another day my friend asked me "Hey--you ever put SOLID tires on a rim before ?--some guy just dropped off about 10 garden carts ,and 20 GREEN solid rubber tires,and my boss said "here,mount these tires"...he had changed a million tires on cars,big rigs,loaders,etc,but never a "tricycle" tire!..

I went to his shop,there was NO instructions on the package the new tires came in--just a weird plastic wedge looking thing...we ended up calling the company and said "how the (bleep) do you mount these tires ?...or get the OLD ones off "?...

The man answered "Just use a utility knife to cut the sidewalls off the old ones,then the remains..to put the new tires ON--you must soak them in very hot water for 20 minutes,and use that plastic tool to coax them onto the rim,before it cools off too much"..

We hung up and stared at each other...ya,right!--like we have the means to boil about 10 gallons of water here,and spend the day putting stupid green tires on garden carts,for what--$50?--when other cars are waiting to be fixed ?..

I said I'd attempt to do ONE tire and see how hard it was..but I'd have to go get a charcoal grill from my house and some charcoal to heat up a tub of water..his boss gave me the money,and I went and got the grill and charcoal,got it going..
Took about an hour to get the water much above the outside temperature!..
I ended up dumping most of it out,leaving barely enough to cover the tire,and I let it cook for awhile..

Then I put gloves on,and got the tire started on the rim,and to my surprise,that hard plastic wedge thing worked slick,the tire went right on!...
It took me about three hours to get all the tires mounted..
When the customer came to pick the carts up,the boss told him "give HIM the money--he's the guy who got those darn thing ON!--we couldn't waste any more time on them"..

The guy handed me a $100 bill and said "that enough" ?--I said "Yeah,I guess so"--and he took another $20 out of his wallet and handed it to me,said "You are the ONLY guy who'd even attempt to try putting those on,every other garage & tire shop said "sorry,you should have bought new tires ON rims!"..
The boss's face was priceless when he saw me getting $120...I fugured he'd take all the money and I'd be lucky to get $50,if that...
I don't want to do any more solid tires though...I had a bad experience with a forklift tire once trying to mount one in a hydraulic press..those are a job for a pro!..

Now I'm 61 and can barely dismount and mount a tire by hand for my own truck..


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Tractor-Holic: I had a set of those green tyres on my commute bicycle. They are guaranteed to do two things: be completely flat-proof and give you the hardest ride possible!
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I have tha harbor freight bead breaker. It's useless for small tires but great for auto tires. When I do a 8" tire, I remove the valve core, then push the bead over as far as possible while the tire is still in the tractor using a wide and long screwdriver. Then I shoot silicone lube into the crack liberally. Some tractors, like ariens, have the tire valve facing inside making it necessary to dismount the tire in a vice or on the floor if you are good and lucky. If the bead is stuck, eventually by flexing it will get the silicone down into there. I use 3 large screwdrivers for removal, and a small vice grip and 2 screwdrivers to put the new tire back on being careful not to puncture the tube.
Any dings on the rim I usually straighten with a small crescent wrench. Lots 'o silicone spray.

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Awhile back I was looking for one 5 hole, white spoke 15 inch rim for a Ford pickup.

Guy at a tire shop said he has a good one for $10 good paint and all. I retrieved the nice looking steel rim and it laid around for couple weeks and I got time to mount the tire. Never could get the tire mounted, the tire was not very flexible, I used lots of tire lube still no go. Finally measured the rim as a 16 inch. diameter.: tango_face_sad:

I had beat the brush high and low looking for couple of 5 hole white spoke 16 inch few years before, never did find a one. (rare as hen's teeth but I found one by accident)
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I've had bad luck with tire shops. Once I dropped off 4 tires and 4 wheels with bad tires on them and paid to have them switched. I got there to pick them up and 2 of them were just dismounted and put right back on.

The next day it became obvious they must have torn the beads on two of them, I came out to go to work in the morning to 2 soft tires. That's when I ordered the HF bead breaker. Sometimes it just pays to do things yourself.

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I've had bad luck with tire shops. Once I dropped off 4 tires and 4 wheels with bad tires on them and paid to have them switched. I got there to pick them up and 2 of them were just dismounted and put right back on.

The next day it became obvious they must have torn the beads on two of them, I came out to go to work in the morning to 2 soft tires. That's when I ordered the HF bead breaker. Sometimes it just pays to do things yourself.



Right: I save my still good truck and car tires for use on my utility trailers when having a tire shop mount and balance new tires and they charge me $2 a tire as a disposal fee even though I keep my old tires. They say federal regulations. Yea sure, $2 to dispose of the old air that was in the tires..
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