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post #1 of 9 Old 06-25-2019, 09:28 PM Thread Starter
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Case 644 losing power under load

I have a case 644 14 hp kohler I am losing engine power when using the loader picking things up and pushing into a pile any suggestions on what to look for?
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post #2 of 9 Old 06-26-2019, 09:22 AM
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Re: Case 644 losing power under load

Are you saying the engine BOGS down? Or that the tractor just does not have the power to do work that it used to? How's the general maintenance been, Hydraulic system purged, engine tuned up, engine timing set, air filter replaced, Possible new carb, if throttle shafts are worn, etc

The Hydraulic system in Case tractors uses MOTOR OIL because of the hydraulic motor in them, 15W-40 is generally recommended. Doing a total purge of the oil on a loader tractor can get involved because of the oil in all of the cylinders. https://casecoltingersoll.com/showth...l-Change-648BH

Also while the tractor is running take a look into the Reserve tank and see if the oil is clear or if there are bubbles in it. If there are bubbles in the oil the pump is sucking air and unless you find a bad suction line on the tractor, the pump is shot and needs to be replaced. https://casecoltingersoll.com/showth...ne-leaking-air

Let us know what you find.. I've torn my 1973 646a almost to the frame and replaced or rebuilt LOTS of it, so many of us have been there.

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So new to me tractor, newer hydraulic pump and oil from previous owner. My issue is I here all the stories on what people are doing with there tractor and mine I cant move dirt or lift very much because my engine bogs down and just about stalls out
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Re: Case 644 losing power under load

Is the govenor on the engine working? Does it try to throttle up when there's a load on the engine?

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It doesn't seem like the govenor is throttling up as engine bogs I just got new points and condenser will try that
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Re: Case 644 losing power under load

New OIL? do you know what type of oil they put into it?
New pump? If the pump is OVER sized for that 14 HP engine, its going to bog it down when the pressure climbs.

Old Kohlers often wear down the push rod for the points, which makes the engine timing changes. On the 10 HP Kohler in my '68 Case 155, I had to modify the points mounting to be able to adjust the .020 opening. I need to get into the engine some day and replace the push rod. Good information and replacement Kohler parts on Brian Millers Web site: Ignition Solutions for Older Small Engines and Garden Pulling Tractors

If you have or can get a hydraulic pressure gauge, glycerin filled, rated for 3,000 psi (they're cheap) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 you'll send $10 - $15 on a 3 foot long 1/4 hydraulic hose to hook it up.

Get the owners manuals and parts books for that unit: https://casecoltingersoll.com/forumd...hnical-Library

Then you can hook the pressure gauge up the drain on the Main - TCV valve and see what the pump is doing, etc.

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I'm almost certain it is not a hydraulic issue only because the unit with 3 point hitch everything in the hydraulic unit seems to work as it should just engine lacks the power under heavy load
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Re: Case 644 losing power under load

Can you perform a leakdown test? I will just about guarantee the head gasket is leaking, worn valves can also be the culprit.
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post #9 of 9 Old 06-27-2019, 09:23 AM
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Re: Case 644 losing power under load

If seems to be Engine then you have somewhere to focus first.

All engines need air, fuel and Timing to work. And in the right ratios.. If the carb is old and worn it can suck air in past the throttle shafts and lean out the fuel. If the Carb flanges and gasket are not flat, it can leak air there too. If the air filter is clogged then you might not get enough air.

If the push rod for the points is worn, the timing could be off. Valve lash probably needs adjustment.

I know on the Onan Twin cylinder engines we do a regular "decarbon" of the engine, which is pull the heads, clean - scrape all of the carbon off the piston, valves, heads, etc and check valve lash, new gaskets re-assemble.. Might be a place to start on that Koher as well.

This guy handles lots of Kohler parts: https://isavetractors.com/ he has direct replacement carbs if yours is worn out, etc.

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