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post #1 of 78 Old 07-05-2015, 05:47 PM Thread Starter
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Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

In the 3 years since I last posted here I have sold all my Lawnboys and have gone green in different way!

I started Eco Cuts, an eco-friendly lawn care service. I pull all my equipment on a 6 foot cargo trailer with a bicycle. All my equipment is lithium ion, except for my Toro SR4 that has only ever run on propane the last 2-3 years! The conversion kit is made by AltFuel LLC.

I have 2 lithium ion mowers, an EGO 56 volt 20 inch, and I just bought an Echo 58 volt 21 inch mower that is the best thing since sliced bread! I also just bought an Echo 58 volt trimmer and I LOVE it! I also have had a Stihl FSA 85 since I started. Other equipment includes 2 Core "Power Lok" (split boom) power heads with a trimmer,hedge trimmer, and 2 blower attachments. I use an EGO 56 volt blower for the most part though.

I'm just wondering if anyone else is into this stuff, as I think it's the future of OPE. Plus I'm looking for forums to talk about this stuff, as well as dispell any myths and half truths about MODERN battery OPE.
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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

Just wondering how the battery powered mowers last in long grass.

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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

Batteries don't have the run time that gas has. How many customers do you have?


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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

The first time I used my Echo 58 volt mower was yesterday when I was cutting overgrown fescue grass (probably 7- 8 inches tall and it was still damp from a previous rain.) down to 3.75 and it goes right through it! In fact the Echo has "adaptive motor technology", which slows the motor down when going over light growth/paved surfaces, and conversely it speeds it up when you get into thicker/taller vegetation! You get 40 minutes of run time from one battery. It can hold 2 and switch over to the other battery when needed.

I'm sure I got the full 40 minutes (though I didn't time it) because I managed to cut the whole 1/4 acre lot save for the last pass and a half in the back yard, and it was all taller than I normally let my yards go.
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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

I have over 30 customers. I cut most every week, or 2 weeks. I also do garden installs and landscape design/installation as well as hedge/shrub/ground level tree trimming. On normal grass days I have a helper pull a smaller bike trailer with another mower on it. 2 push mowers can get a lot more down than you'd think. I stay within a 2 mile radius that includes a very large subdivision that I live in.

My Echo string trimmer gives me over an hour of run time on a 4 ah battery! Plus it shares the same battery as the mower. I always have something charging, so run time, even though far from inadequate, is never an issue. Plus lithium ion batteries don't exhibit any power fade like old Ni-cad stuff. You get full power until it runs out.

My next move will be to set up a larger scale solar set up for charging batteries ahead of time. That way my fuel would come from the sun for close to free after initial investment in equipment batteries, solar panels, and storage batteries.
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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

I bought the Echo because my EGO (I hate how the names sound the same) mower burned up on me. The EGO is not intended for commercial use, but I didn't know about the Echo and it's 2 year commercial warranty when I bought it over the winter. The windings in the motor shorted out, and I'm going to have it re-wound and re-dipped in epoxy. I really don't like how the windings (even though they are coated) are allowed to come in contact with the grass/debris to the point that the motor sucks a bunch of grass up into the inside of the motor/battery housing. My theory is that some debris must have got caught in the windings, got hot and burned, which melted the epoxy and shorted the motor.

If I can fix it, I'll just sell the bare mower for whatever it cost to re wind the motor if it isn't too much. Then just keep the 4 ah battery and rapid charger it came with for my blower!

In a nutshell, don't buy the EGO mower. The EGO blower is good though and it's my favorite battery blower on the market right now. I even prefer it to the Stihl BGA 85.
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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

I personally don't like the battery stuff, but I do want to build a fuel injected hydrogen powered tractor when I get a welder.
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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

The new 58 volt line up from Echo is another step in the evolution of lithium ion OPE. I highly suggest checking it out. I was going to pick up the Core mower and the Core Elite trimmer, but they got bought out by MTD before they ever released the mower. Sucks because they made their tools in USA/Montana.

Stihl's 36 volt lineup is already very long in the tooth and I can only assume they are working on their next Li-on Pro line up.
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No really..... I don't think the expression should be OPE it should be GPE gasoline powered equipment.
Battery powered equipment will take more of the market share in the future. No doubt about that.
While the batteries capacity is getting better, my beef currently is the life of the batteries.
EVERYTHING I have ever owned that had a rechargeable battery has always had the battery need to be replaced at least once before the item was ready to be replaced.
I feel this is a slap in the face from manufacturers. They are happy to sell batteries and make money after the sale.
A gasoline engine on a mower has exactly the same power and runs the same amount of time on a tank of fuel.... years later.
That 40 minute run time will be down considerably in a year or so.

You could do the math all different ways estimating battery degradation and estimated fuel costs and kwh to recharge batts when charging at home.
Eventually battery might be cheaper but not as convenient for me.... But my stick is way down in the mud.

I also would not want to work for any of the people you would need to market to.
The green crowd would like the fact that you are getting the job done in a way they can really approve of.
Those type of people generally irritate, annoy, and depending on my mood... sometimes flat tick me off.
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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

The laptop I'm typing this on has a dead lithium ion battery, and only works with the charger plugged in. A replacement battery costs as much as a new laptop. Same thing happened to my old laptop, numerous cell phones, countless drills...
Battery technology has never been that good, it still isn't, and I don't see any great advancements around the corner.


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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

I think what you're doing is pretty cool. I actually bought a B&D trimmer with 20 volt lithium setup about a week ago. For what I ask of it, I'm quite pleased. It's for my family to use. No mixing for them, no fixing for them. And for the price, if I get two headache free years of use....I will be happy. It's historically taken new tech years, if not decades, to take hold. The examples are all around us. I'll be watching and jumping on board when I feel it's a good fit.

Thanks for sharing, and I hope you'll continue too........because I ain't too bright with this stuff

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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

I wish the Dewalt 20v string trimmer was a lot less than $200. I just got a Dewalt brushless motor impact wrench/hammer drill package deal and I love it. My last cordless drill was purchased about 15 years ago. What a difference! Batteries last hours instead of minutes, and charge in minutes instead of hours.


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Re: Is anyone in here into lithium ion outdoor power equipment?

Two guys at work got the batter powered push mowers. They seem to like them. I'm sticking with my Lawn Boy, and loving it!
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