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post #31 of 2695 Old 09-23-2014, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
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Re: 2015 Cub Cadet XT Enduro

A fabricated deck is more expensive according to what I read and they say more heavy duty because of how its made. It seams the options or levels of HD type stuff going into this new line of tractors is getting the brand back to where it started a good tractor. They will have the big box level also, but we will see if all the press on them is correct.
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Hunter do you believe all the things marketing people tell you? They don't build anything they just write about things to make them sound good even if they are not. Roger
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This happens all the time in marketing. A new product is brought to market and instantly compared to the benchmark. Most of the time in five years the "next best thing" is brought out and compared to the same benchmark. The benchmark has established itself in that place because it has consistently been the benchmark. New competition needs time to even consider being a replacement to that benchmark. In my experience most of the competition falls aside over time to be replaced by whatever the next thing is.

Might this be a new benchmark? Maybe. However I am going to require time to prove that.
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Hunter do you believe all the things marketing people tell you? They don't build anything they just write about things to make them sound good even if they are not. Roger
No marketing is just a tool to sell but if you are referring to fabricated decks, hand made is more expensive than stamped on most anything made. Like I said above consumer reports will be fair. The previous year CC didn't even have a one tractor on the list. Check out the videos and web pages with pictures it does appear they have made some improvements. But as I say we will see.
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stamped decks are for high volume production because they have to pay for expensive stamping dies, fabricated decks are cheaper for low production numbers.

And usually fabricated decks are made of thicker material because a stamping machine to stamp that thicker metal would be much more expensive.

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This happens all the time in marketing. A new product is brought to market and instantly compared to the benchmark. Most of the time in five years the "next best thing" is brought out and compared to the same benchmark. The benchmark has established itself in that place because it has consistently been the benchmark. New competition needs time to even consider being a replacement to that benchmark. In my experience most of the competition falls aside over time to be replaced by whatever the next thing is.

Might this be a new benchmark? Maybe. However I am going to require time to prove that.
Lohman, very well said that's how it is with about everything we purchase. Yes time will tell and I have said it many times in this thread. I am encouraged the mechanical components are the same as the benchmark if you are meaning the JD 300. I went to the dealer and drove it and have used many JD tractors but they do cost quite a bit more. Just for mowing grass I would rather spend a little less. Even if it roves to be equal or close I would only put it as the benchmark within its competition price point also. Most of the time you get what you pay for but sometimes the benchmark is priced at a point because they can. Again good points.
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Here is the link to the consumer reports initial look before the lawn mower issue is done.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...2015/index.htm
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Fab deck = marketing or not wanting to invest the stamping tools. Trying to play into the old idea that they are stronger/thicker/or commercial grade. On a $1500
tractor they will be neither.

That Bluetooth $$$ could have gone into hard parts quality like bearings, belts, engine.

I do like the new color scheme and hoods. Cub needed to reset things, looks like a decent effort. Regardless of brand, you get what you pay for, so there will be trade offs to hit these price points.

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I think you are overestimating the cost of that Bluetooth gimmick. I doubt it adds more than a couple dollars, and likely less, to the cost of each machine

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Fab deck = marketing or not wanting to invest the stamping tools. Trying to play into the old idea that they are stronger/thicker/or commercial grade. On a $1500
tractor they will be neither.

That Bluetooth $$$ could have gone into hard parts quality like bearings, belts, engine.

I do like the new color scheme and hoods. Cub needed to reset things, looks like a decent effort. Regardless of brand, you get what you pay for, so there will be trade offs to hit these price points.
I fabricated deck even if not commercial grade would cost more. I don't think they are saying its that, just giving those who want it an option to have that choice if they want to pay the extra. The Bluetooth as stated in the next comment would be a very low cost and I wouldn't think cause the tractor to cut some other quality item because of it. The younger buyer I would think would like this, would seem part of marketing. Again , I think not sure it wont be available on all models. Yes CC needed to do this reset to set things straight. Yes you get what you pay for most of the time. The assumed standard which most say to purchase, the JD 300 seems to be over priced compared to this offering. They already offer the same tranny and a Kawasaki motor an a deck that is one of the better cutting ones. In addition on the 42 inch they have 4 anti scalp wheels which I personally like but not to all. The steering has been redone, hopefully it will have that nice feel the JD300 has. The CC now having the a 3/5 year warranty shows they are standing behind the new line. Just a thought.
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Hunter have you bought one. You could see if it lives up to your expectations as yours seams to be pretty high.
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Hunter have you bought one. You could see if it lives up to your expectations as yours seams to be pretty high.
Not yet, I have been looking most of year deciding what to buy, but am glad I waited. I drove the JD300 and have used there lawn tractors. They are nice but the price for a machine to mow a large city lot seems over priced. Sometimes a company can charge more than they need to not that its not worth compared to what's out there. With the redesigned CC it sounds like the gap has closed. I do like the option of a manual PTO but want to wait and see the variations in the X2 which seems to be the level I am interested. I called the dealer and they are waiting to see the allotment they will get for this fall. I liked the CC 1042KW and the X2 should be better. Like all things time will tell, that's not to say there wont be some issues like with any new model that's being introduced.
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Got a little information from the dealer today. They could place orders the last couple weeks for immediate delivery and spring delivery. They appeared to be limited to a max of 8 units for immediate delivery and my smallish local dealer took all 8.

I asked if they were a supplement to the 1000 / 2000 series but they are replacements. It looks like the XT1 is low end lawn tractor, XT2 is medium lawn tractor (or one of the high end 1000 series) and the XT3 is a replacement for the entire 2000 series. He said he is still getting information from Cub Cadet but mentioned it is a ground-up platform change, with better pulleys, belts, less play in the steering, etc. Stamped and fabricated decks, limited slip on some models. Believe based on the pictures that the XT3 is still shaft drive. He also said that the current line up is a mix of Tuff Torq and Hydrogear but that all the XT's will be Tuff Torq. No word yet on which ones.

He expects them to trickle in to his dealer in the next week or two so if you want to see one they are coming soon.

I hope they designed the XT3 to be a little closer to a garden tractor than the 2000 series. They called the 2000 series a garden tractor but to me a garden tractor has the possibility of running a 3 point and hydraulics. I don't expect either of these but who knows.

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Next time I'm at Home Depot or TSC I will have to look and see if they have these tractors.
(Although I may be a little late, they already have snow blowers out)

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Next time I'm at Home Depot or TSC I will have to look and see if they have these tractors.
(Although I may be a little late, they already have snow blowers out)
I don't think they will have them til spring, for a couple reasons. (1) A CC rep told me they were showing the new XT series last week to Farm & Fleet and the dealers just saw them about a month ago in Nashville, I think it was. (2) All of the TSC's / etc. around here still have the 1000 series, in many cases quite dusty from sitting outside, so I'm guessing they will want to blow those out first.

I'd bet on the dealers having them very soon though. 1-2 weeks is what the local dealer told me.

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