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post #1 of 22 Old 07-10-2019, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
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Cub Cadet 004 Tiller - What To Do

After years of looking for a 190-004 hydraulic tiller for my GT3235, I took a chance on one that I have been looking at for almost a year on eBay and bought it. I say that I took a chance, because 1) while it was never used, it was stored outside during much of its life - It had some surface rust, and 2) it was missing the hydraulic pump, driveshaft, brackets and hoses. Cub Cadet price for all the missing bits was $1,700, but after researching what other options were available, I was able to trim that by well over half – meaning I would have $1,200 - $1,300 in the complete tiller, all in. Not a screaming deal, but good NOS examples of this model tiller have sold for much more.

Well, it arrived in fine shape at Fastenal, but after bringing it home the nasty surprises started. Right off, I noted that the 3/4” hydraulic oil return fitting was rusted beyond use, including the sealing surface. Obviously, the protective cap was left off at some point, leading to…

… an oil storage tank filled with rust. The oil storage tanks on these tillers are huge (you start by adding 6 GALLONS of hydraulic oil), running the length of the tiller body with a welded in pick-up tube, a recess and a fill tower. The water let in by the open fitting caused so much rust that dragging a stick of wood across the tank bottom through the oil fill opening resulted in the bottom of the stick being completely covered with rust. It would be impossible to clean it all out. And as the hungry Eaton sucks directly from this tank – no filter is between the tank & pump; the filter is before the tank – a destroyed pump would be the result of using it like this.

I contacted the seller and he immediately refunded the full purchase price, leaving me with a very heavy, very unusable, lump in my garage. What to do?

My first thought was to cut it open, clean out the rust, install a new fitting, fabricate a new pick-up tube and weld it all back together. After coming up with a number of possible ways for that plan to go astray (along with just not wanting to do all that work), I am not wild about that idea.

A second option presented itself after doing some research. I learned that new tiller frames are still available, for $800, $200 more than the $600 I paid for (and was given back by the seller) the rusted lump o’ tiller. The rest of the main tiller components are all there and in good condition, needing only a little touch up here n’ there. I would be $200 over the total price that I had set as a target, but what the hey; in for a penny, in for a pound. After getting the new tiller frame and hanging all the components from da-lump on it, I would have a clean & factory fresh tiller.

I am tempted to go with option 2; thoughts?
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post #2 of 22 Old 07-14-2019, 09:57 AM
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Option two sounds like a solid plan. As you stated you will pretty much have a new tiller. As for the cost I'm sure you can get your money back out of it when you decide to sell it as I don't see this tiller coming up for sale very often and I think it would sell easily. Post some pics and an update if you decide to proceed with the rebuild.
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Hi Ejl - Thanks for your input. I have almost decided to go that route, especially as the Cub dealer I do a lot of business with gave me a great price on it - $700 - if I want to order one. All the other parts I need are lining up lining up nicely, only the driveshaft is a bit difficult, but I have some ideas. I will wait until the new tiller frame is sitting in the shop before ordering any other parts - just to be on the safe side. Yes, will post pictures when I have something to show. Thanks.
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Hi Ejl - Thanks for your input. I have almost decided to go that route, especially as the Cub dealer I do a lot of business with gave me a great price on it - $700 - if I want to order one. All the other parts I need are lining up lining up nicely, only the driveshaft is a bit difficult, but I have some ideas. I will wait until the new tiller frame is sitting in the shop before ordering any other parts - just to be on the safe side. Yes, will post pictures when I have something to show. Thanks.
That driveshaft appears pretty pricey. I wonder if you could modify a mower deck driveshaft and get it to work.
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That driveshaft appears pretty pricey. I wonder if you could modify a mower deck driveshaft and get it to work.
Yes, $450 if I remember correctly. A deck driveshaft could be cut down, but you would have to use a 3/4" (Eaton input shaft) to 7/8 (deck angle drive input) reducer. Retention would be the issue, as the deck angle drive is retained by a thru-bolt and the Eaton is via set screw(s). Decent shafts generally go for $125 or more on line, and as they are not a split design, I could drill and tap for setscrews. I looked up the yokes, joints & tube to fab a complete shaft and that would run about $200. Still thinking about that one.
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PF, congrats on finding one. I think I was watching that tiller for a long time on eBay if that's the one I'm thinking of. I'm just throwing this out there, could you acid treat the rust then use some type of suction filter and cheap TSC oil until it cleans up?

I somehow got lucky and found an 004 tiller searching for images on them one night that was for sale at a dealer in New York for $500. Fastenal charged me $150 to ship it to Georgia but I'm still happy for only having $650 in one. I am missing the 2 pieces that mount to the frame but I knew that when I purchased it. They are still available but I think I will fab something up instead. They had to drain the tank to ship it so after reading your thread I probably need to fill it with some oil to prevent any rust.

Keep us posted on anything that you do with it. I won't be able to get to try mine out for several months.
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PF, congrats on finding one. I think I was watching that tiller for a long time on eBay if that's the one I'm thinking of. I'm just throwing this out there, could you acid treat the rust then use some type of suction filter and cheap TSC oil until it cleans up?

I somehow got lucky and found an 004 tiller searching for images on them one night that was for sale at a dealer in New York for $500. Fastenal charged me $150 to ship it to Georgia but I'm still happy for only having $650 in one. I am missing the 2 pieces that mount to the frame but I knew that when I purchased it. They are still available but I think I will fab something up instead. They had to drain the tank to ship it so after reading your thread I probably need to fill it with some oil to prevent any rust.

Keep us posted on anything that you do with it. I won't be able to get to try mine out for several months.
Hello - I am sure it's the same one, about 30 people were watching it. Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think that would work as the pump would not tolerate sucking all the trash through it. I went ahead and ordered the new tiller frame, my dealer says Cub still has them. Nonetheless, only when it's sitting in my shop I will continue ordering the rest of what I need.

You did great getting that one for $500, I have never seen one that cheap, even a beat to snot one that I passed on a year ago was more than that. Please post some pictures when you get a chance.

I am going to create the same brackets, plus the front ones and the bracket stays. I did buy the pump mount bracket, will post when I have something to see. Good hearing from you, thanks.
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Yup, the tiller frame is still available - it's home in my garage. Now I will order the rest of the parts to attach it.
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Man that looks nice. I need my butt kicked because I still have mine sitting outside with no oil in it. I need to put that on the "To do list"

They still have the link up on my tiller but now it lives in Georgia.
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I'll be watching this thread. Please take lots of pics for us.
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Just became a member of the tiller owners club. I have been looking for a tiller and 3 point hitch for about a year and a half now. Bought this in Stoystown near your old stomping grounds Oaktodd. Got it as part of a package deal with GT3200 with 563 hrs., 60" deck, 3 point, and front aux hydro port. PO grenaded the rear differential by trying to engage the diff lock with the tires spinning. I've got a 3235 with engine issues and will probably combine the two for a tractor for garden duty. Just picked it up yesterday and haven't gone over it much. Have a lot of projects going on right now and will have to put it on the back burner for now.
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Hi Ejl - Wow, that is fantastic! To get a tiller with the 3-point is a nice score - is the tiller as nice as it looks? It looks lightly used - how is the rest of the tractor? Also, are you going to tear the grenaded differential apart? More pictures always appreciated.
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Hi Ejl - Wow, that is fantastic! To get a tiller with the 3-point is a nice score - is the tiller as nice as it looks? It looks lightly used - how is the rest of the tractor? Also, are you going to tear the grenaded differential apart? More pictures always appreciated.
Yes the tiller is in very good condition except for the usual CC powder coat chipping off in places. As far as the differential it has a very large vent hole now in the cast iron case near the drain plug and parts lying in the bottom. The diff lock pedal and cable are limp so I would assume the diff lock parts are in pieces in the bottom of the case. The motor in the tractor has good compression and runs well. The 60" deck was not well maintained and needs some work. I have a spare aluminum case differential but it has the external disk brakes and not the tranny brake like the cast iron and would take some additional mods to use. Be a while before I have time to investigate further and fix.
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Hello - I actually like big brakes on the aluminum case tractors just because they are easier to service. I had to R&R the transaxle on the GT2550 over the winter just to fix the brake - not a great set up - and the cast iron 3000's (like my GT3235) are the same way.

How do the two tractors compare - would it make sense to just put the GT3200 engine in the GT3235? (I am biased however, I like the yellow frames better!)

One other thought, the right case half is the same for all CI case 3000's, so if you could find even a 3100 unit, you could combine the units. There is a 3100 trans on eBay right now, low hours, taking offers.

All good problems to have - Cheers!
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Hello - I actually like big brakes on the aluminum case tractors just because they are easier to service. I had to R&R the transaxle on the GT2550 over the winter just to fix the brake - not a great set up - and the cast iron 3000's (like my GT3235) are the same way.

How do the two tractors compare - would it make sense to just put the GT3200 engine in the GT3235? (I am biased however, I like the yellow frames better!)

One other thought, the right case half is the same for all CI case 3000's, so if you could find even a 3100 unit, you could combine the units. There is a 3100 trans on eBay right now, low hours, taking offers.

All good problems to have - Cheers!
At this point I have $1000.00 invested and got the two attachments I wanted. The 3235's engine has 100 psi compression in cylinder 1 and 135 psi in cylinder 2. I could just swap the engine into the 3235 and and move the 3 point over and have a GT3200 with a sick engine and broken diff for a winter project or I could move the 3 point to another 3235 that is my grass killer.
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ejl, small world....our family farm is(was) in Stoystown. I can remember going down to Lohr Feed & Implement in Kantner (the IH dealer) and sitting on all the Cubs in the show room when I was young. They would have a bunch of used ones sitting out front for sale that people traded in. Dad purchased several Cubs there over the years but it no longer exists.
You got a super sweet deal on that package! Where was it purchased new?


Pfreiburger.....lets get some pics posted up on the tear down of that tiller. Oh ya, I still need to get mine under cover and oil in it.
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