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post #46 of 150 Old 02-18-2019, 10:46 AM
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Thanks for sharing your adventure, it will all work out.
As others have commented on your positive attitude, and that,
we know is what is going to get you there
There is a lot of wisdom in the old saying
"whether you believe you can, or you can not, you are correct."


I had a positive buy through Alibaba,though it was nowhere near the cost of the tractor.
I purchased a knockoff air locker for one of my toys. It works just like the name brand for a third of the cost.
I have been trying to get a price on a Sany excavator for over a week now,
Larry pointed me to this thread and I have found your detail, that you've so patiently repeated for those of us who missed it a time or two to be of much help in eliminating the missing little bits of valuable information of what steps are involved in the process.
I thank you for that and wish you all the best in completing your tractor building adventure.
The new tools are definitely a necessity for helping you be able to maintain the ranch, and not some sort of "guy thing".


(Thought I'd give you some amo there.)


About this time, I would be looking for some alternatives.
Since it doesn't cost anything to wonder, I might be saying,
I wonder if a truck engine might work or I wonder if I could fit
a straight six gas engine in there. Maybe a used car diesel.


Who knows what might be able to turn the round thingy in the tranny.


Best of luck


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I knew you would enjoy this thread Don considering ehat you are trying to do. I have been following it but didn't have any to add to help out do I've just been lurking in the shadows.

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@Donewrken

thanks for the vote of confidence and glad you've found some use in the content, feel free to direct message me if you want.
I was looking at a semi engine or a pickup engine, a few challenges there though, they have too many horses is the first challenge, second challenge is the power / torque profile and third, tractor engines, from what I've read, are generally designed to be part of the chassis / structure whereas pickup engines and I think, semi engines, aren't.
I've found the local John Deere Engine supplier which isn't the same as the John Deere Dealer here in Edmonton, have dropped them an email but today is a public holiday, I'll chase them this week, same with a local(ish) tractor breakers yard that seem to do reconditioned engines. There's also a local diesel shop where I have some contacts, they specialise in Cummins / Cat and International, I'll be in there later this week too - its all progress and something to do indoors while it warms up from -36C to -8C by the end of today:-)
I also looked at Sany equipment on Alibaba when I was in the market for my skid, two showstoppers - no EPA engine options and I was after a tracked skid, they only had wheeled ones - I was speaking with Evangel if that helps?
I ended up getting my ASV Skid from Ritchie Bros auctioneers (it needed a lot of TLC and cleaning) may be worth having a look at them and IronPlanet / Gov Planet as you're in the US - Alibaba can suck hours from you looking for what you're after, contacting suppliers then waiting for the response - hence my first question was always "EPA Engine certification?"
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More tidbits, and they are always helpful.


If you cannot seem to find the one your looking for (sounds like a song)
There is a huge tractor yard in Fresno California. I mean it's the Mother-load of parts tractors.
You can probably find them online.
I personally, would be inclined to rebuild as opposed to the price tag you have been given.
Buy a couple junkers and then new parts, but that's just me.


Sure new is nice but who are they trying to kid with those prices.


Do you need to make it tier 4 compliant?
I'd think since your not using it commercially that you would not need to though you couldn't sell it that way.
That's not your intention anyway.


The reason I tried to deal with Sany was the companies own add on Alibaba.
Then today I finally had a reply to the last e-mail I sent from a direct address
and not through the Alibaba web message system.
It was from someone at their US corporate office.
He told me the Alibaba adds are incorrect and that all exports need to go through their distributors.
He said he would have a distributor in the Los Angeles office contact me.
So It's a dud, never-mind. Ha!

I read the enticements for getting a franchise from Sany and know what the markup is, roughly any way,
that's why I was willing to give it a shot in the first place, to avoid the dealer markup.


I'll be shopping for a used one now.
One of the things I have learned in my shopping is that the online sellers,
have their prices jacked up so high that you really can not use them as a realistic valuation.
That must be where the old used car salesmen wound up.




Oops, I'm not talking about Steady.
You know what I'm trying to say . . . . right?


Oh, one other thing I thought I'd throw out and maybe I'm wrong but I would
not worry about to much horsepower, as in excess.
It will simply not be used and sort of just be wasted.

If I needed 110 hp and a 140 came around I'd go for it, if it fit.




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For an "outside the box" solution, that includes lots of fun fabbing, go for a tractor-pull setup and get 6 new 25hp engines to work in parallel... The engines would be relatively cheap...
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I know that's way outside my skill level.................**** those wheels are big

Talking of big wheels, turns out mine are a little larger than I thought...…….
Using railway ties to lift the tractor enough to try and fit them, coupled with 2 4 ton bottle jacks, a 3 ton hydraulic jack on standby, two 6 ton axle stands and a skid with forks to try and get the cab high enough to get the front axle and wheels on before doing the rears

If anyone has any tips / tricks / advice / warnings on my approach, happy to hear them

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That skid loader sitting there with the forks on it would be the best way to put them on. Either run a strap around the top of the wheel/tire and lift with a fork or use both forks and pick up from the bottom of the tire with someone steadying the tire.
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thanks for the response, much appreciated

As I watch the snow come down again, I had this crazy idea that if I let the air out of the tires, I probably wouldn't have to raise the cab up a lot more, thoughts?
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thanks for the response, much appreciated

As I watch the snow come down again, I had this crazy idea that if I let the air out of the tires, I probably wouldn't have to raise the cab up a lot more, thoughts?
I don't think a cold tire will flatten out that much without the weight of the tractor pushing it down.
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I know that's way outside my skill level.................**** those wheels are big

Talking of big wheels, turns out mine are a little larger than I thought...…….
Using railway ties to lift the tractor enough to try and fit them, coupled with 2 4 ton bottle jacks, a 3 ton hydraulic jack on standby, two 6 ton axle stands and a skid with forks to try and get the cab high enough to get the front axle and wheels on before doing the rears

If anyone has any tips / tricks / advice / warnings on my approach, happy to hear them

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I would think it would be easier to attach the engine and then install the wheels rather than having to try and balance that chunk on the two wheels.
One thing would stop me from doing any of this is that when cost of purchase is only considered then cost of sale is not you will find just about all of your time and hard earned $ will be lost on this. A brand named well looked after unit will almost always recover most if its cost.
Just a recap with some numbers drawn "out if the air"
Your total cost not including missed time from work / tractor down time / fuel used chasing down parts, etc / and what ever more I have missed. Theoretical cost - $45K cash.
Purchase brand name tractor with included necessary service work of ALL used vehicles = Theoretical cost - $85K on credit will allow some $ for other more possibly important items and issues that seem to come up on "new" acreages (been there, done that). Some deals are to be had at dealers in terms of 0% or very low term financing.
Sale on above pieces of equipment = almost $0 on first unit and for arguments sake $60K on second unit.
I might suggest you might have purchased a smaller brand name tractor closer to the $ you initially budgeted for and see what it is capable of and pester a neighbor now and again if yours did not work as expected. A few hundred $ now and again would make them happy neighbors and would give you an overall better feel of what is necessary. Trading up would be possible on the brand named tractor but not at all with the other.
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@hgl1 - All fair points that I'd taken in to consideration, most importantly, I don't want to carry any debt or financing, even at 0% over 5 years for reasons I'm not gonna cover in a public forum and my budget I've set at $50k
Martin Deerline quoted me $75k for a 75hp JD tractor with Cab and FEL in the summer with a several month wait. as you're in Alberta, I looked at dealers in Spruce Grove and Stony Plain and they didn't have anything I'd term value for money, things below $50k were high hours +5000. Wasn't much coming and going at RitchieBros when I looked before I placed my order and as you buy from RB as is, where is, so a bit of a risk there - my low hour skid has taken a fair amount of maintenance to bring it up to par, agdealer.com - wasn't a lot to be had there while I was looking either. Didn't know about Westlock Tractors at the time, that's a miss on my part granted
Maybe you'll be right in your assumptions, maybe you wont, either way I'll keep sharing my lessons learnt for all to gain some amusement if nothing else :-)
Not missed a days work yet as long as you don't count the vacation I'm taking to assemble it this week btw :-) Its not really lost vacation either as I can't fly anywhere and I'm quite enjoying myself :-)
I thought about asking the local guys for help but when I asked around, turns out, the local farmers have plenty on already, especially around harvest / hay making

What if everything turns out ok for what I need it for? I needed a new hobby to get me off the xbox……………...oh look, more horizontal snow again, bugger
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The horizontal snow seems to get us every time. And the |$%^$%& stuff is hard as rock. Stuck at home on the acreage is still better than being stuck somewhere else when something goes wrong. I read somewhere a quote that goes something like "I have built a home / life that I don't need to go on vacation from" and my acreage fits that bill.
Gratton Coulee or Westlock Parts (both are used AG parts dealers) may be able to help you out. Closer to you than us in the south.
Like you I am mostly here for the entertainment. Like a good NASCAR race - we all go for the crashes as long as no one gets hurt.
Good luck with your ventures.
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I am not sure how the engine mounts to your tractor BUT.... Cummins engines are made with industrial bolt patterns. You could get a first gen ram engine (160 hp) or a 4BT out of a bread truck or piece of equipment fairly reasonably (in the US) and find or make an adapter to bolt it to the tractor. The 4BT’s are a great engine and come in a variety of hp options.


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It wouldn't be too much effort using some lumber to put together a frame and throw a chain hoist on it.


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