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post #1 of 33 Old 06-11-2019, 05:02 PM Thread Starter
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winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

Still need to rig up a boom with an idler pulley over the plow arm so the hook is pulling up rather than fwd/bwd. I just have it on the spring bolt right now to keep the blade lifted. I was sick of the stupid manual arm lever garbage of the factory craftsman plow blade. I also bolted on some scrap steel to make a lever arm on the tilt selector as the manual arm lift had a cable operation that went away. Pictures are 1000 words so here you go:














The winch is mounted to the $4.99 mouting plate which I mounted to that Craftsman bagger bracket by drilling and bolting together. That bracket is then mounted to the factory holes on the front frame of the 12. It is sturdy as can be. I plan to weld the "boom" arms to the mounting plate and use an old idler pulley from the parts bin for the cable to rotate on. I used the digital coupon at Harbor Freight for $49.99 for the winch so that combined with the mount plate was $55+tax. Well worth it. This particular model uses the keyless remote you see attached to my engine keys.

So with the Predator repower and the winch install, I guess this has become a Harbor Ferguson...or is it a Massey Freight?
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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

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I was sick of the stupid manual arm lever garbage of the factory craftsman plow blade.
Looks like a good mod. I had a plow like this and reworked it to use the factory lift on my AC tractor. I also have a Sears scoop that I reworked with a winch lift similar to yours. One problem with this system is that if you spool out the winch too far, the cable loosens and jams up the winch spool. It can happen simply by material pushing the blade up when plowing. I actually broke one winch by getting the cable jammed between spool and motor. I solved the problem by cutting off all but a few turns of the cable so there is only the minimum needed for the lifting.

I rewired the winch to a reversing solenoid and a DPDT switch on the dash instead of the remote. It's much handier for this use! I also added a heavy duty wire connector so it is a plug-and-play system.

If you think the lift/angle mechanism on your plow is (was) hokey, you should check out the operating system on the sears scoop. It is a mechanical engineer's nightmare. Using 5-foot long arms with a very tall vertical swing it manages to lift the bucket about 3 inches off the ground. Another huge arm is used for the dump lever with a bucket latch that changes alignment and won't work in some positions. I re-engineered the whole thing with wrenches, a hacksaw and the winch and now it lifts 12-15 inches and latches like it should. I also got a lot of useful excess steel for other projects.

One interesting thing on my sears snow plow was that the welding was so out of alignment that the blade had about a 7-degree cant to the right - blade mount off, lift bracket off, mounting plate off - cumulative effect. It took me a long time to identify the problem because the whole thing is pretty sloppy anyway.
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I'd love to hear how you wire in the switch to lift and lower
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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

I'd like to see that diagram too if you used the HF winch that has the remote like the OP's setup.

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When my hydraulic lift gave out this winter I jury rigged a winch to do the lifting. The plate mounts in the stock holes in the bumper and I orientated the winch so it is a direct pull up. I have since rebuilt my hydraulic pump but have yet to get around to putting it back.
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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

Have you thought of going down with the cable as suggested by Cnc? Just snap the hook on the cross pin just behind the blade and install a guard on the spring to prevent the cable from catching between coils. ABS drain pipe should work for a guard.

As ZTT42 suggested, removing most of the cable would be a good idea.

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Have you thought of going down with the cable as suggested by Cnc? Just snap the hook on the cross pin just behind the blade and install a guard on the spring to prevent the cable from catching between coils. ABS drain pipe should work for a guard.

As ZTT42 suggested, removing most of the cable would be a good idea.
As I stated, I still plan on doing a pulley system for a vertical lift on the blade. I definitely plan on using the cross pin as the lift point. I will screw around with a few ideas this AM and see what I can come up with.
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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

Hi Here is how I hooked this up for direct wire and a switch. Originally I had an old winch with a manual switch, so I needed to build this for remote ops. When I put on the new badlands winch from HF I just wired it to the solenoid with the two HD leads and got rid of all the other wiring..

I used a 12 volt 100 amp reversing solenoid from Surplus Center:

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Electr...11-3169-12.axd

The winch leads can be hooked up directly to the solenoid, then run + and - leads to battery and ground on the tractor. There are two control leads to the switch on the dash - a DPDT/center-off switch from NAPA. The Solenoid comes with pretty good directions for hooking it up.

the plug-and-play I did with a heavy duty battery plug-in from NAPA and a two pole plug for the control leads. The photo shows half the battery plug and the small plug. The other end is wired into the tractor battery and switch and tied on a convenient spot on the frame with wire ties.

let me know if you need more info.
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a DPDT/center-off switch from NAPA.
Sorry about that - it should be a SPDT momentary contact switch - Single Pole Double Throw with a center-off position. like the one shown here

https://www.acdcusa.com/70280-heavy-...rew-terminals/

the hot lead goes to an accessory terminal from the ignition switch and the two other leads go to switch terminals on the solenoid.
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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

OKAY FOLKS - one more try.

Looks like hard wiring this would be MUCH easier, and CHEAPER, than I reported before. I did some investigating into the Badlands winch control module. If you open up the control box, there are two modules inside:

- a switching module that functions the same as the solenoid I used as shown above. That is the one with all the heavy wires.
- a remote control sending unit that is controlled by the clicker and functions the same as the SPDT momentary contact switch shown above.

Here is what to do:
1. unplug and/or unscrew all the connections going to the remote control unit. Set it aside. Re-tighten any of the screws loosened and leave all other wires on the solenoid intact.
2. plug in two wires to the available empty lugs and run these to your switch location. Attach to the two output poles on the switch.
3. Attach a hot lead from the input pole on the switch to an accessory point on the ignition switch, or an accessory plug-in provided on the tractor.
4. install switch in the dash. Wires can be swapped or the switch turned over for "up" and "down".
5. Hook up all the heavy wires as shown in the winch instructions to battery, ground and winch.

No doubt this will void the warranty on your winch, but I tested it with a multi-meter and there is nothing mysterious or dangerous about it. No worse than my original solution and it will cost about 10 bucks.
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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

That looks like a really simple solution...thanks!

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OKAY FOLKS - one more try.

Looks like hard wiring this would be MUCH easier, and CHEAPER, than I reported before. I did some investigating into the Badlands winch control module. If you open up the control box, there are two modules inside:

- a switching module that functions the same as the solenoid I used as shown above. That is the one with all the heavy wires.
- a remote control sending unit that is controlled by the clicker and functions the same as the SPDT momentary contact switch shown above.

Here is what to do:
1. unplug and/or unscrew all the connections going to the remote control unit. Set it aside. Re-tighten any of the screws loosened and leave all other wires on the solenoid intact.
2. plug in two wires to the available empty lugs and run these to your switch location. Attach to the two output poles on the switch.
3. Attach a hot lead from the input pole on the switch to an accessory point on the ignition switch, or an accessory plug-in provided on the tractor.
4. install switch in the dash. Wires can be swapped or the switch turned over for "up" and "down".
5. Hook up all the heavy wires as shown in the winch instructions to battery, ground and winch.

No doubt this will void the warranty on your winch, but I tested it with a multi-meter and there is nothing mysterious or dangerous about it. No worse than my original solution and it will cost about 10 bucks.
So buy a SPDT switch and give one side a hot lead and the other side goes to the solenoid in the BadLands box? what is the other terminal for on the solenoid used for then, the second throw?
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So buy a SPDT switch and give one side a hot lead and the other side goes to the solenoid in the BadLands box? what is the other terminal for on the solenoid used for then, the second throw?
Be sure it is a "momentary contact" switch (returns to "off" when not held to one or the other pole). There are 3 lugs on the switch. One is a hot lead input from the ignition accessory lug. The other two are hooked up to the two empty terminals on the solenoid.

The switch has 3 positions - Terminal 1 / off / terminal 2. It will energize one output terminal at a time as long as you hold the switch in that position.
That completes one of two circuits in the solenoid. i.e. it energizes one solenoid lug at a time. Basically the solenoid reverses polarity of the heavy-wire motor leads and makes the winch run forward or backward. note: the grounding function for the switch circuits is handled by the smaller wires on the solenoid.

It doesn't matter which switch terminal goes to which solenoid terminal. If you want intuitive "up" and "down" switch positions you can simply swap terminals or turn the switch over.

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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

I like this dashboard switch for plowing. You can do the many functions of steering, shifting, blade control without holding on to or searching for the remote. Remote control is nice if you're winching your four-wheeler out of the mud, but the hardwire is better for this application.
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Re: winch install on my Massey MF-12 for plow

I made a pulley arm today. It needs a radius bent about halfway down the shaft vertically though as the plow hits the pulley before it is completely raised like this.

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