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post #1 of 22 Old 04-29-2019, 03:08 AM Thread Starter
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Need help with bolens 1700 hydro eliminator steering shaft and pinion year

Hello just recently picked up this bolens 1700 hydro eliminator. The steering wheel and shaft turns freely in the pinion gear and pulls right out. The whole shaft pulls out of the pinion gear and the gear stays in place. The bottom of the steering shaft seems like a pin goes through it. Pinion gear is still in place. Was wondering if I need a whole new steering shaft with the pinion gear attached or is there a shear pin that goes through the gear and shaft to hold them in place?

Also this tractor has a Kohler Magnum18 engine. Engine model number M18S. SPEC NUMBER 24513. Serial number 233281700. Is this the original engine for this tractor?

Engine kinda smokes a little bit smells like it's running rich. Original fuel pump was bypassed with a external fuel pump not sure if this pump is pumping too much gas. Any ideas?

I'll try to add pictures soon. Any help with how to repair the steering would be much appreciated.
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Re: Need help with bolens 1700 hydro eliminator steering shaft and pinion year

What part of NY are you in, I may know of a place that has some salvage machines

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oh ok , there used to be a big salvage yard out your way in auburn NY but it closed up about 4 years ago .
I'd check the groups , the cheapest thing to do is probably find someone with a junker you can get those parts off of

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I have a 1600 eliminator, same frame steering etc. It had an issue where the lower bushing wore out and a previous repair was done by cutting the steering shaft in 2 to separate and as both the pinion and steering wheel were seized on by the looks of it. How is the bottom of the shaft?, is the pinion gear sloppy on it or nice fit? If sloppy the shaft could be turned true and a sleeve put on to accept the pinion gear. The pinion gear is held on by a roll pin and it looks like you can see part of the hole and maybe crud or a bit of the pin in the hole.
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Don't know what he'd have but Art's Parts in Minetto 315-216-6351 might help.

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Don't know what he'd have but Art's Parts in Minetto 315-216-6351 might help.
Thanks Spokes100. When I picked up the roll pin at an auto parts store the guy are there actually mentioned Arts name and I called over there. They're not open back up till Monday they're closed on Sundays and I missed his call back today.
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I have a 1600 eliminator, same frame steering etc. It had an issue where the lower bushing wore out and a previous repair was done by cutting the steering shaft in 2 to separate and as both the pinion and steering wheel were seized on by the looks of it. How is the bottom of the shaft?, is the pinion gear sloppy on it or nice fit? If sloppy the shaft could be turned true and a sleeve put on to accept the pinion gear. The pinion gear is held on by a roll pin and it looks like you can see part of the hole and maybe crud or a bit of the pin in the hole.
Hi thanks for the info. I got the cover off the top. Took the gas tank off the battery out and on with the solenoid and a couple other things to get the metal cover off. I cleaned the hole in the steering shaft it looks like a new PIN can be put back in. It didn't look like we could get this roll pin to go in without taking the pinion gear in the main gear out. And now that I look at it cuz the pinion gear is tapered the only way to get them back in is the put the gears in first and try to put the steering shaft back in and push the pinion gear and somehow . I just picked up the new roll pin got all the old roll pin out of the steering shaft in pinion gear. I might mess with it a little bit tomorrow depending on the weather or Monday see if I can get it back together
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Don’t quote me on this but I seem to remember that the shop manual mentioned removing the steering wheel and with the tractor jacked up you could slide the shaft out the bottom. Makes sense easier to install the gear and tool pin that way if you can get the steering wheel off. Unfortunately as I mentioned some one previous to me could not get the wheel off and took the short cut of cutting the shaft and welding it back together to change the lower bushing, which reminds me, since your steering is apart you might want to put in an new lower bushing if there is any slop,
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Don’t quote me on this but I seem to remember that the shop manual mentioned removing the steering wheel and with the tractor jacked up you could slide the shaft out the bottom. Makes sense easier to install the gear and tool pin that way if you can get the steering wheel off. Unfortunately as I mentioned some one previous to me could not get the wheel off and took the short cut of cutting the shaft and welding it back together to change the lower bushing, which reminds me, since your steering is apart you might want to put in an new lower bushing if there is any slop,
Thanks for the advice. What bushing are you talkin about? And yes the only way this shaft is going to go back in his from underneath. Problem lies with the pinion gear is tapered wider at the top than the bottom getting it back into the hole with this other main gear in place it's going to be kind of tough. I'll show the top view
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There is supposed to be a shouldered bushing in that hole in the casting for the shaft to ride in. To get the pinion gear past the rack or steering gear you need to remove a retaining split ring that holds the rack gear on the horizontal shaft and slide the shaft out far enough to drop the rack gear out of the way.
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There is supposed to be a shouldered bushing in that hole in the casting for the shaft to ride in. To get the pinion gear past the rack or steering gear you need to remove a retaining split ring that holds the rack gear on the horizontal shaft and slide the shaft out far enough to drop the rack gear out of the way.
Thanks cnc... thanks for the illustrations. That is the exact same way I tried to do it only issue I'm running into is the shaft holding the steering gear on only slides out so far sure. Not sure what's hanging it up seems like I should slide all the way out if you wanted it to but it only slides out about maybe an inch. I can get that big steering gear off but in order to get that steering gear back on with the pinion gear in place that shaft would have to be out further. Do you think taking the grease fitting off would help maybe it's kind of vacuum sealed with the grease from pushing out that sure but it only seems I want to come out so far and it's not far enough. I'll try messing with it again tomorrow evening. Also yes I do have the bushing that goes in the hole where the pinion gear is steering shaft go I have all the bushings and spacers
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My pleasure. Grease fitting should not be the issue. I believe when I had mine apart, the shaft will only slide so far and to get it to slide further you need to disconnect the steering rod that runs from the arm to the front wheels.
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My pleasure. Grease fitting should not be the issue. I believe when I had mine apart, the shaft will only slide so far and to get it to slide further you need to disconnect the steering rod that runs from the arm to the front wheels.
Thanks. I didn't think the grease fitting would have anything to do with it but just thinking out loud LOL. Anyways I can get the main gear off. I did disconnect the steering arm. But that shaft still only slides out about one in and it needs to go out quite a bit to get that gear to slide in so that's pretty much where I'm at with it need to try to get that pushed out more somehow. Now also my other issue is trying to get the steering wheel off this steering shaft so I can slide it up from the bottom with the pinion gear in it.. I'm pretty rainy out so I haven't been able to mess with it too much. Hopefully this weekend have some clear weather and get this thing back together. appreciate all the help from everybody
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