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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

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So here's the bottom line, it sounds like--the Legacy XL is a good tractor that is probably most comparable to the BX2660, Bobcat CT122, or John Deere 2305. None of these tractors are an exact match, though--for instance, the Legacy XL has the best cut and the most HP out of these tractors, but it also has the lowest FEL lift capacity and weighs the least (which could lead to traction issues if you're pulling a grader or pushing snow--but it also means you are less likely to put ruts in your lawn).

As far as prices--it sounds like prices are all over the map, it just depends on what dealer you talk to and what deals they've got that day.

Is that a good summary?
I would say no, the Legacy is not really comparable to any of those other than offering a better lawn tractor portion. Those tractors are most definitely superior in most every other aspect...IMHO of course.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

I would say for the gas and 2 wheel drive you would have to compare the Deere X720 to the Legacy XL with both of them being 27HP.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

I also looked up the 4 wheel drive with the diesel on Deere's site and that would be their X748 but that one is full time 4 wheel drive where as the Legacy is shift on the fly.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

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Why is that overpriced? What other 27 HP diesel tractor with mid-mount mower and FEL can you for $14,000?...
You can get a JD X748 comparably equipped for that price. It will have a 24 hp Yanmar diesel which I would take any day over the 27 hp Kohler.

You would also get full-time all-wheel-drive instead of on-demad 4WD.


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So here's the bottom line, it sounds like--the Legacy XL is a good tractor that is probably most comparable to the BX2660, Bobcat CT122, or John Deere 2305. None of these tractors are an exact match, though--for instance, the Legacy XL has the best cut and the most HP out of these tractors, but it also has the lowest FEL lift capacity and weighs the least (which could lead to traction issues if you're pulling a grader or pushing snow--but it also means you are less likely to put ruts in your lawn).

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Is that a good summary?
I would disagree. I don't think the Simplicity XL, a GT, is in the same league as a Kubota BX2660, JD 2305, Bobcat CT122 -- all of which are SCUTs. Except for the hp advantage, I don't think it's even in the same league as the Kubota BX1860.

I could be wrong, but when I compared these a while back, I gathered that in order to operate the FEL, the Simplicity needs to have the sub-frame re-inforced. By comparison, the JD X700-series does not need sub-frame re-inforcement to operate the FEL (the frame is built more heavy-duty).

Don't get me wrong, there is definitely a market for highly capable GTs. For some people, they make more sense than a SCUT. So it's not just a question of cost-comparison. You need to make sure to find a tractor that fits your needs. It may turn out that a smaller tractor that fits your needs ideally could cost you more than a larger tractor that doesn't.

But if the Simplicity is the right size for your needs, you should definitely be comparing it to the JD X700 series. The X700s are a better comparison than the SCUTs.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

I'd beg to differ with you on the frames of the XL Versus the Deere, Deere does not show what gauge steel their frames are. Also the frame that goes under the XL for the FEL is just for the loader arms to attach to.
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I'd beg to differ with you on the frames of the XL Versus the Deere, Deere does not show what gauge steel their frames are. Also the frame that goes under the XL for the FEL is just for the loader arms to attach to.
Okay, maybe I misunderstood about the sub-frame reinforcement. I thought I remembered reading about a sub-frame component that needs to be added with the FEL, but it's been a while since I studied the Simplicity.

On the JD X700 series, there is a cross bar that just slides into pre-cut holes in the tractor frame, and is held in place by a couple brackets/bolts. The loader booms then rest on this cross bar. But the cross-bar is included with the loader package, so there's no additional charge.
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Hey not a problem, yes simplicity calls is a subframe but it is just what you are talking about with the Deere all it does is hold the loader booms so I'd say we are both correct.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

What are the actual differences between the Legacy XL and SCUTs like the BX2660 or JD2305?

All have 4WD, hydrostatic transmissions, 540 rear RPMs, Category-1 3 point hitches, FELs, and they are in the same HP range (with the Legacy XL having the highest horsepower rating, whether you go with a gas or diesel engine).
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

Maybe someone out here can answer that question for you. It just seems to me that the more compact the tractor's are the more they cost.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

Does anyone know if the JD X700 series has a backhoe option like the Legacy XL, or do you move up to the JD 2305 for that capability?
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Does anyone know if the JD X700 series has a backhoe option like the Legacy XL, or do you move up to the JD 2305 for that capability?
I don't think it can--I can't find any mention of a backhoe in the approved attachments list for the X749, which (I think) is the beefiest of all the X700 series tractors.

Here's the list:
http://www.deere.com/en_US/ProductCa...&pNbr=SKU22282
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

Josh, I have been following this post since you started and I waited a bit to respond because I figured you would get more owner replies. Well I am an owner, 2007 xl 4x4 27 hp Kawasaki liquid cooled with the 60" deck, FEL, 48" 3 point tiller and I bought a set of r-1 ag tires for wet soggy ground. In the 3+ years I have never found reason to need the diesel although I am a diesel nut and I would like one, I talked to my dealer about trading up and he told me that it would not be worth the money because the torque is "1" ft. lb. different. Living in Wisconsin, we get plenty of snow and I stackit over 6' high no problem. I have the rear turf tiresfilled with fluid and have never had a traction issue except in the slick mud, for which I bought the ag tires. I use the loader so often that I have never taken the 5 minutes to remove it. To date I have moved 10yrds traffic bond gravel, 8 yds sand and 10 yds decorative gravel all for a patio project. Untold amounts of dirt, compost and snow, it moves product just fine. I mow about 2 1/2 acres with it on and I till about a 1/4 acre with it on. Probably should use the 4x4 less, but it'snot an issue if I forget to put it in 2wd when mowing unless it is wet out. I paid exactly $13,000.00 for mine brand new and the tiller was another $1,100.00, some of the best money I ever spent. Sorry for my long windedness, but I hope it helps.
P.S. Oh yeah as far as economy I get 2+ mowings on 1 tank

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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

Thanks jbeall for the list, I can't think of current GT that matches that capability of Legacy XL, without moving up to a true scut. It reminds me of a jack of all trades, but a master of none. My yard is too small for a scut, but the Legacy XL would be just about right.
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Re: Simplicity Legacy XL--what's the draw for this tractor?

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Does anyone know if the JD X700 series has a backhoe option like the Legacy XL, or do you move up to the JD 2305 for that capability?
No OEM backhoe option on JD's X700 series. But there are aftermarket options for a BH. Still, if a BH is what you need, you'd be much better off with something like a 2305 than an X700-series with an aftermarket BH.

Now, as far as that JD 2305 is concerned, that model has been discontinued. Deere is introducing a new 1000-series SCUT line that will replace the 2305. There will be two model options, the 1023 and 1026. These will be very impressive machines, with a whole slew of nice features. There was a boot-legged marketing video available for a while, and those of us who viewed it were seriously drooling.

The nice thing about the JD SCUTs, as compared to Kubota BX-series, for instance, is that you can add an OEM FEL or BH at any time. With the BX-series, you have to choose the TLB version (BX25) if you want an OEM BH. The other models like the BX 1860, 2360, and 2660, do not accept the OEM BH. So with the Kubotas, it's an all-or-nothing decision up front, meaning you have to buy the BX25 with BH and FEL at the outset -- can't add them (OEM) later.
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What are the actual differences between the Legacy XL and SCUTs like the BX2660 or JD2305?

All have 4WD, hydrostatic transmissions, 540 rear RPMs, Category-1 3 point hitches, FELs, and they are in the same HP range (with the Legacy XL having the highest horsepower rating, whether you go with a gas or diesel engine).
I'm still hoping to get some clarification on this. I don't really care if they call one a "Garden Tractor" and the others a "Sub-Compact Utility Tractor." I want to know what the functional differences are, and why the BX2660, JD2305, or Bobcat CT122 are "superior in most every other aspect (besides mowing)" or why the Legacy XL is not "even in the same league as the Kubota BX1860." The only suggestion I've heard so far is that the frame is not as tough, but that sounds more like speculation than anything else (as Andy pointed out that the "subframe" is simply a place for the FEL to mount to). Does anyone have personal experience or know actual facts about why the Legacy XL is or is not as good as a SCUT like the BX2660, JD2305, or CT122?

I really don't have any bias here--I'm just trying to make sure I'm informed about all my options. Part of that is understanding, in concrete terms, why the Legacy XL doesn't "measure up" to other options like the three SCUTs I mentioned (or any other SCUT).

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